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  • #2063650
    EJMRBro
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    Lets remember all the positive experiences the yidden have had with ukraine in general.

    And before you say bu-bu-but Uman and the yidden there. Id reccomend try thinking about the pain endured by our people by the ukrainians.

    A smart person would sit this one out. Hashem cried when the mitzrim drowned but that doesnt mean a normal person should.

    I have my popcorn ready.

    #2063702
    zahavasdad
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    The President of Ukraine is Jewish (Zelensky) , the former Prime minister was Jewish.

    50,000 people identify as Jewish in Ukraine (No clue how many are halachic, but obviously many are)

    200,000 are eligible to emigrate to Israel (they have 1 jewish grandparent, meaning could be Halachic jewish, Are married to a jew or have a parent who is eligible to emigrate (Also could be halachic jewish))

    It might be the country with the 5th largest Jewish population in the world

     

    Hi – good to see you!

    #2063706
    leah2330
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    As someone who immigrated from the Ukraine as a child, was called “zhid” by a classmate .. I am totally with you. Even the language gives me chills.. they have so much blood on their hands.. Khmelnitskiy yemach shmo… pogroms.. babi yar.. collaborating with the nazis.. rabid anti semitisim always.. I am not exactly choking with tears.. However, lets hope it all stops there.. and no Jew gets hurt. Mashiach Now!

    #2063714
    Reb Eliezer
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    #2063727
    interjection
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    “50,000 people identify as Jewish in Ukraine (No clue how many are halachic, but obviously many are)

    200,000 are eligible to emigrate to Israel (they have 1 jewish grandparent, meaning could be Halachic jewish, Are married to a jew or have a parent who is eligible to emigrate (Also could be halachic jewish))”

    I think these numbers are totally off. I read this week that Ukraine actually has 300,000 Jews with 60,000 just in Kiev.

    #2063730
    interjection
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    actually, according to Wikipedia, as of 2014, there were 110,000 jews in kiev and about 400,000 jews in Ukraine.

    #2063731
    funnyone
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    Ukraine might not have been the best to Jews, but to imply that the war is okay because of that??? There are thousands of Jews on both sides and no war is good no matter how bad they were to us. Yes we should be crying and saying tehillim over this war- not just Hashem.

    #2063734
    commonsaychel
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    edited
    That being said, there are a lot Jewish blood on the Ukraine’s hands including my great grandfather and his two sons

    #2063732
    ubiquitin
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    “And before you say bu-bu-but Uman and the yidden there. Id reccomend try thinking about the pain endured by our people by the ukrainians.”

    Help me out I’m trying to understand. Jews are currently suffering, property and even life is in peril., but we shouldn’t support them (be “Pro-Ukraine”) be cause of what those Jews’ neighbor’s ancestors did to Jews in the past.

    Do I understand you correctly?

    #2063745
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Why is anti Putin’s behavior = pro ukraine? spin much?

    #2063743
    midwesterner
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    UB: That is what is being suggested. But even more than that. It includes supporting the nation that gave us Lenin, Stalin, the Iron Curtain, was meshamed doros of Jews. And before that, the czars and the Cantonist program.

    #2063749
    zahavasdad
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    The problem with getting a number of the number of jews there is “Who is a jew” , most of these censuses count someone with a jewish father as jewish and many people hid their jewish background under communism and their offspring might not know they were jewish, so that’s why these numbers are just guesses and there are people who are just finding out they have jewish ancestry (Could mean Halachic, maybe not halachic)

    #2063781
    bored_teen 💕
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    Even if there are no Jews in Ukraine. We should be Davening that Putin doesn’t gain more power because who knows what he’ll do next. I don’t see him as being a friend to Jews

    #2063853
    ujm
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    Russia has a lot more Jews than Ukraine.

    #2063883

    We always had more tzoros from those with whom we lived nearby – Poles, Ukrainians. We had less problems with Germans whose Jews assimilated and Russia that did not allow Jews in the country even after it concurred neighbors with Jewish population. Of course, Jews moved from Germany to Poland on their own during middle ages where they had their self-governance and moved on their own to Ukraine as shluchim of Polish aristocrats. And Germany and Russia spend 20th century killing Jews, each other and everyone else. This is not to deny whatever problems there are, but they need to be seen in perspective.

    #2063885
    Lostspark
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    The Newyork Times, CNN, NPR, and Zaidy Biden told me I should want war so we should go.

    Kitzur: Trump doesn’t want war so I do

    #2064314
    crazy horse
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    Russia historically was one of the worst countries to jews.
    This war has nothing to do with Biden or NPR.
    As for trump he started ranting about the southern border and a stolen election. You can’t take him seriously.

    #2064323
    DovidBT
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    As for trump he started ranting about the southern border and a stolen election. You can’t take him seriously.

    It’s the people who rant about Trump that can’t be taken seriously. They have nothing to say that’s worth hearing.

    #2064329
    Gadolhadorah
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    Dovidlel: People came to CPAC to hear about Republicans’ vision for the future. Instead, more than 45 minutes out of a 1hr 20 minute speech was just the same blather about the 2020 election being stolen from him, an assertion dismissed by every judge who heard any of the 63 unsuccessful lawsuits making such allegations, including over a dozen judges HE appointed. One of the funniest points of tonight’s rant was his whining about his own Supreme Court justice appointees disappointing him. His only “policy prescriptions” were the usual hyperbole about “making America great again” and eliminating civil service protections for federal employees who disagree with him (aka the “deep state”). If you came for “entertainment”, it was the usual Trump MAGA circus. If you were hoping for a serious discussion of conservative policy issues, you should be asking for a refund. On the positive side, at least he did (albeit indirectly), criticize Putin and the invasion of Ukraine and did not repeat his comments earlier in the week calling him a “genius” etc.

    #2064346
    charliehall
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    Ukraine has a horrible history but in 2019 it elected a Jew as President with 73% of the vote.

    #2065705
    KGN
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    I wouldn’t say that I am Pro-Ukraine or Pro-Russia but rather that I am Pro-Jewish.

    There’s Jewish people having to flee various cities in the Ukraine. That is something we, as Jews, need to be concerned about.

    #2065844
    ChZn
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    Some of the sentiments expressed on this forum are completly out of line with Torah Hashkafa, it’s embarrassing.
    “Hashem cried when the mitzrim drowned but that doesnt mean a normal person should.”
    This is just not true. The reason we spill wine from our cups at the Seder while recounting the Nissim Hashem did is precisely because there was human suffering. ‘Ma’asei yodai tovim bayam’. According to Yiddishkeit, to be a human being means to feel the pain of others. And surprisingly for some people, this includes non-Jews. To not be moved and feel the plight of thousands of suffering men, women and children is just inhumane. To the self-proclaimed neviim claiming that is some kind of revenge and who take a seat back and eagerly watch murder, your indifference is chilling. Be better. And if you can’t, Go find another religion. Yiddishkeit is obviously not for you.

    #2065884

    ChZn well said!

    #2066149
    BennytheKvetch
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    Very well said ChZn.
    Personally I’m quite upset by the unfolding events in Ukraine and I don’t understand how anyone can be indifferent to Russia’s ongoing crimes against HUMANITY and crimes against peace (as defined at Nuremberg) unless it somehow involves the Jewish people. It’s especially important that Ukrainian Jews are saved, but anyone who could show such indifference in regard to Russia’s barbarian acts against the Ukrainian people displays a toxic level of ethnocentrism.

    #2066420
    amom
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    Like KGN, I’m not pro Russia nor pro Ukraine. I feel bad for the Ukrainians and don’t want anyone to suffer. I daven that all yidden stay safe. I feel bad for innocent Russians too (obviously not as much as I feel bad for the Ukrainians). The sanctions will affect them.
    The question here is to what extent do we have to suffer (with higher gas prices etc.) to support the Ukrainians.

    #2066425

    > what extent do we have to suffer (with higher gas prices etc.

    This is overhyped as yet another excuse for current economic policies. Gas prices are going up without US boycotting Russia. US gets 3% of supply from Russia. Arabs and US are capable of increasing supply by a lot. We do need to worry about nuclear WW3, but other things are less of a concern.

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