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  • #1566643

    Curiosity
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    Democrats advocate for open borders to let all the illegals in through Mexico. Democrats want to let those illegals vote, thus turning us into a country run by illegal aliens. If you are a Democrat, it’s much easier to just move to Mexico. Why do Democrats want to turn the USA into Mexico?

    #1566744

    👑RebYidd23
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    Climate.

    #1566797

    ☕️coffee addict
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    More space

    You’re adding the whole United States to Mexico

    #1566895

    CTLAWYER
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    Curiousity
    Your ignorance and bias is amazing.
    You paint all who vote for candidates of one party as being the same.

    I am a Democrat. I vote for individuals. not party. I detest the fool who is leading our country backwards. The orange haired, serial adulterer who enriches his friends and family and hurts our economy.
    I will pay more than $20,0000 in additional federal tax this year under his new tax structure, money that used go to Tzedaka.
    I don’t want non-citizens to vote, despite your FALSE claim.
    I don’t want open borders, but those arriving and seeking asylum should not be turned away. Must I remind you of the fate of the passengers on the MS St. Louis back in 1939.

    Trump is a hateful, divisive, lying individual. I’d rather have a family of hard working central American immigrants here and him and his family on the other side of a prison wall.

    #1566900

    ubiquitin
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    your question doesnt make sense, We want “a country run by illegal aliens.” in Mexico the illegals arent illegal.

    Phase B is once the US gets overrun by illegal immigrants, many will sneak across the border to MExico making Mexico too run over by illegal immigrants.

    #1566907

    akuperma
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    Actually the idea of adding Mexico to the United States was strongly supported by the Democrats in the 19th century. The Whigs objected. Leading problem was that the Mexicans were Catholics, spoke Spanish, used Roman law and were slightly off color.

    It also should be noted that Mexico is ALSO very much opposed to open borders, which is why all the Central Americans fleeing incompetent or corrupt governments end up at the US border having passed through Mexico, which was unwilling to grant them refugee status.

    The serious advocacy for liberalized immigrations come from employers (who have to be polite about it, since it doesn’t look good to put out a sign “Help wanted – good workers willing to work at low wages”, and those seeking to move to the United States to take the jobs that Americans don’t want (at least, not at the aforementined low wages).

    #1566923

    JJ2020
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    There are more Mexicans leaving the US then coming in that’s been the case for years.

    #1566925

    Joseph
    Participant

    JJ: We should wish them goodbye. And encourage the other illegals to also make the same return trip. Mexico could use their help.

    #1566943

    akuperma
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    Joseph: The problem is currently NOT Mexicans, it is people from Central America. Worrying about Mexicans is like being concerned about the Soviet Union or the danger of an invasion coming to the US via Canada. It’s a past problem. While Trump may change this, Mexico’s economy improved due to NAFTA to such an extent that few Mexicans desire to move to the US.

    #1566944

    JJ2020
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    Joseph – many Republicans higher illigals to work for them. If they stopped more would leave.

    #1566956

    laskern
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    Democrats don’t separate families. They only keep out the criminals.

    #1566963

    Gadolhadorah
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    Border arrests were higher during last year of Obama than first year of Trump.. Numbers are now slightly higher but that includes in part lots of those who are being turned away when s legally seeking asylum but being told to “come back” because there are insufficient resources to “process your request”. Yes, there are some Dems who support increased immigration just as some Repubs want more immigrants to work in their Florida resorts (aka the Trumpkopf)

    #1566965

    Joseph
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    How do they not separate the criminals breaking into America illegally from their children who they brought in with them?

    #1566989

    anonymous Jew
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    CT lawyer, talk about bias and ignorance! Did you vote for Hillary and Bill? He still is a serial adulterer and she defamed the women who came forward. Was Obama telling the truth when he said we can keep our doctors and insurance? when he secretly funneled hundreds of millions of dollars to Iran? secretly gave green cards to relatives of Iranian officials? visited and celebrated with the dictators in Cuba? stabbed Israel in the back in the UN?

    You also live in a state that spends taxpayer money like a drunken sailor and was quite happy to have other states subsidize you.
    The large majority of taxpayers have seen a reduction in their taxes. Who saw large increases, like yourself? people whose incomes were so high and their property taxes were so high that the combination far exceeded the $10,000 cap. If you have a problem, direct it to your governor and legislature. Why should people in lower tax states continue to subsidize you?
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    #1566983

    laskern
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    Criminals are returned with the children.

    #1567038

    Joseph
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    laskern: Democrats did NOT deport parents who illegally broke into America with their children.

    #1567065

    CTLAWYER
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    @Anonumousjew
    #1 CT pays more to the federal government than it receives back, so you are not subsidizing us
    #2 I did not vote for Bill Clinton
    #3 I voted against Trump
    #4 an ordinary 7 room house in my small town has property taxes of about $13,000…brought to us by an 8 year republican administration.
    #5 Being self employed, I buy my health insurance through the CT Exchange (ACA) and yes I kept my insurance company and ALL of my doctors, in fact a number of doctors who did not take Connecticare before the ACA now do so….so I have more choice at a lower cost.
    #6 Returning Iran’s own funds was not a secret…you know about, I know about, and so on
    #7 I see no difference in visiting and making nice with Cuba which is 90 miles off our coast than meeting with the leader of North Korea, who has nuclear capability and is half a world way….so much for your warped logic.
    #8 Medinat Israel is a political football and is not universally loved/supported on The Yeshiva World

    #9 this discussion is not a referendum on past presidents. It’s about the dictator in Washington that is undermining the rule of law and destroying our country.

    #10 I detest our governor and he is not running again, I never voted for him. My state representative and senator are Republicans and voted against our current budget.

    As I’ve said, I don’t vote party, I vote individual. I cannot remember the last time I voted a straight party line, but it was sometime in the 1970s wen we had local elections in New Haven and there were no opposition candidates running in my district.

    #1567129

    laskern
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    Joseph, I don’t know what you are saying. Democrats did not deport criminals or they did not deport criminals with their children but deported them without them?

    #1567186

    Joseph
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    They did not deport those who criminally entered the United States with their children. They cut them loose.

    #1567226

    Arielski
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    Joseph, Obama deported more people who immigrated to the US illegally than any other president.

    #1567227

    👑RebYidd23
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    Joseph, your cleaning lady crossed the Mexican border illegally.

    #1567272

    ☕️coffee addict
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    As I’ve said, I don’t vote party, I vote individual. I cannot remember the last time I voted a straight party line, but it was sometime in the 1970s wen we had local elections in New Haven and there were no opposition candidates running in my district.

    Yet you’re a Democratic Party delegate, why would they let you be one of you don’t toe their line?

    #1567293

    Curiosity
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    Arielski- When you have millions more illegals coming in because you invited them with arms wide open as Emperor Obama did, you’ll end up deporting more people. Also, Obama had 8 years, Trump had a year and a half. You have to look at the percentages.

    #1567290

    Curiosity
    Participant

    CTLAWYER: Oooooh boy! Where do I even start?

    “Curiousity”
    –Not my screen name. (Is he talking to me?)

    “Your ignorance and bias is amazing.”
    –Pleasant evening to you too, good Sir.

    “You paint all who vote for candidates of one party as being the same.”
    –Gross generalization, I admit.

    “I am a Democrat.”
    –Condolences.

    “i vote for individuals. not party. I detest the fool who is leading our country backwards.”
    –Name one example, please. Unemployment rates, foreign policy, trade deficits, GDP growth, NATO contributions by allies, and Israel’s defense by the USA in the UN are all at an all time (or long time) best.

    “The orange haired, serial adulterer”
    –Adulterous women have a thing for rich, fat, married, Hollywood real estate moguls with orange hair, I guess…???

    “who enriches his friends and family and hurts our economy.”
    –You’re conjuring up thoughts of the pay-to-play scandal by the Clintons. Also,the family’s net worth dropped around a reported $1 Billion since he took office. Ivanka just shut down her business. He isn’t getting rich from this.

    “I will pay more than $20,0000 in additional federal tax this year under his new tax structure, money that used go to Tzedaka.”
    — Well, it’s a good thing everybody else will be getting fatter paychecks to add to their tzedaka isn’t it? Isn’t that what Democrats preach? Take from the rich upper middle class and give everyone else free college tuition, Obamacare, Obamaphones, more government benefits, etc? You should really not have a problem with this considering it’s the platform your representatives support. Also Mr. Trump has donated his $400,000 presidential salary to charity to offset your $20,0000, which is not a real number.

    “I don’t want non-citizens to vote, despite your FALSE claim.”
    –Hey! We agree on one thing! There’s hope for you, yet!

    “I don’t want open borders, but those arriving and seeking asylum should not be turned away.”
    –What about the overwhelming majority who sneak across our borders for economic opportunities and cut ahead of actual vetted asylum seekers who are fleeing actual conflicts from actual war zones and are courteous enough to follow our laws and submit a proper application? I’m pretty sure the application is available en español. Not to mention all the women and children victims of rampant human trafficking that occurs because the Democrats won’t support securing the border. If you care about them, seal the border already!

    “Must I remind you of the fate of the passengers on the MS St. Louis back in 1939.”
    –Irrelevant.

    “Trump is a hateful,”
    –Nah

    “divisive,”
    –Can you give me an “O”?! (bama)

    “lying individual.”
    –Can you give me an “H”?! (illary)

    “I’d rather have a family of hard working central American immigrants here”
    — That’s a gross generalization.

    ” and him and his family on the other side of a prison wall.”
    –Is it because of the orange hair? Why do you want to lock Jews up?

    #1567563

    Amil Zola
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    Oh goodness, talk about a broad brush. Why would anyone think that all democrats are for open borders?? Why would anyone who believes in the democracy that is America want citizens to be shipped to a foreign country simply because they disagree with an individuals politics? Sounds like fascism to me.

    #1567605

    Curiosity
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    Amil Zola:
    Nobody said anything about shipping any citizen off anywhere. It was simply a recommendation to make Democrats’ lives easier and help them achieve their nefarious goals in a way that’s more pleasant for everyone else.

    #1567636

    👑RebYidd23
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    Trump does not have orange hair, and bad Democrats don’t make bad Republicans better.

    #1567676

    Amil Zola
    Participant

    Personally I don’t find realistic immigration policies, regulation of health care, workers rights, maternal wellness, access to contraceptives, tax breaks that are fare to working Americans, pathways to citizenship via military service, asylum for the victims of domestic and political abues et al nefarious. You are free to disagree. Admittedly I do have some biases, I am a first generation American, I feel that the current immigration roundups that target brown skinned people incredibly unfair. My feelings would be tempered if ICE were doing sweeps in Brighton Beach or other enclaves of non caucasian immigrants. And I would feel much differently if our current administration were not mustering out those immigrants who were using military service as a pathway to citizenship. Certainly our president if free to change his mind about chain immigration now that his inlaws have citizenship, but it does make him look a bit two faced.

    #1567779

    Curiosity
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    Amil Zola: You hit a lot of points there. I’ll try to run through them all. For the most part the philosophical difference between conservatism and leftism can be distilled down to that conservatives believe in the limited role of government while leftists believe in a bigger, more involved government. But let’s look at what you brought up:

    Realistic immigration policies –
    The left wants ICE abolished, amnesty for all illegals, implemented an ineffective catch & release policy, want to admit supposed “refugees” that are impossible to vet from hostile regions of the world, and refuse to fund a border wall. You might feel these are good policies, but I think we can both agree these policies are far from “common sense.”

    Regulation of health care-
    Health care is already heavily regulated, which is why it’s so expensive. What we really need is to get government out of healthcare, and let the free market act to create competition to lower costs, like it does in every other sector. Limited government oversight such as parts the FDA should stay intact to ensure safety standards are up to par, but only taking a watchdog role.

    Workers rights –
    I would argue that the free market with limited anti-trust laws is the biggest boon to workers’ rights. Nobody wants to work for a ruthless dictator of a boss.

    Maternal wellness, access to contraceptives –
    Again, it’s not the governments’ role to provide healthcare. It’s not anywhere in the Constitution, and private business is always better and more efficient at these kinds of services than wasteful, bloated government task forces. Also, contraceptives are dirt cheap and available for free on most college campuses. People aren’t getting accidentally pregnant because they can’t afford a $2 contraceptive, it’s because they’re irresponsible, and it’s not the government’s job to be a nanny.

    tax breaks that are fare (sic) to working Americans-
    Leftists want to raise your taxes to pay for more gov’t funded programs, conservatives want to lower taxes. Trump passed a huge tax break this year.

    just pathways to citizenship via military service-
    Conservatives agree we should have immigration law reform, but doesn’t it makes sense to get control of the borders first, before implementing any large immigration reform that may offer perks which will attract more trespassing illegal aliens?

    asylum for the victims of domestic and political abues (sic)-
    We already have that. Conservatives aren’t against that. They’re only against doing it in a way that creates safety concerns in cases where you can’t vet the people coming in. Just look what happened to Europe over the last 5 years.

    et al-
    What else?

    #1567954

    Amil Zola
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    You will have to get used to the fact that I do not respond item by item in posts. It’s time consuming and frankly I can’t see the point in investing the effort. Individuals here are very very vested in their opinions, a mere post or argument on an internet forum isn’t sufficient to move the hearts and mind of an individual. I’m not here to make converts, insult others or to demean different POVs.

    #1567961

    You will have to get used to the fact that I do not respond item by item in posts.

    THANK YOU!!!
    😉

    #1567978

    Curiosity
    Participant

    Sorry Mods 🙂 I’ve got too much to say on these topics. Believe it or not, I do try to be brief.

    Amil Zola – You don’t have to respond point by point. Those were all points that you brought up, and I did address every single one of them for you. Since you didn’t respond to even one point, I can assume you don’t have a response, which is totally fine. I don’t want to convince everyone to think exactly what I think, but I do encourage people, especially Jews, to use facts not emotions or misinformation, when forming opinions about political topics. I would say that I am vested in rational thinking, and I see zero logic in the Democratic leftist platform, it’s all based on short sighted emotions, in opinion.

    #1568004

    ubiquitin
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    curiosity
    “What we really need is to get government out of healthcare, and let the free market act to create competition to lower costs, like it does in every other sector. ”

    The problem is that healthcare is not the same as every other sector. for example, the basic starting points of economics namely supply/demand don’t always apply to Healthcare. It’s not like if Stents become cheaper more people will have heart attacks. Nor can there realistically be a competitive market. In the throes of a heart attack, the patient wont say no drive a little further hospital x is cheaper. This isn’t to mention children, those with preexisting conditions that the “free market” would only lose by helping, which I assume you agree there should be some protection built in.

    #1568012

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “but I do encourage people, especially Jews, to use facts not emotions or misinformation, when forming opinions about political topics. I would say that I am vested in rational thinking, ”

    Careful up there on your high horse, Do you think your OP was a fact or rational thinking?

    #1568043

    Curiosity
    Participant

    Ubiquitin-
    The OP was just me having some fun trolling Democrats.

    As for healthcare – I agree that you don’t always have a choice with healthcare, just like you don’t always have a choice with tow truck companies, or utility providers, but most healthcare service visits are not emergency situations. The customer usually has a choice. The problem is that prices aren’t published like they are for every other industry, so choices aren’t as informed, and the free market isn’t leveraged. That being said, I do believe in limited regulations meant to ensure safety and quality care.

    The whole health insurance industry is one giant, steaming, government doped scam. If healthcare costs are reduced by the free market to create realistic care costs, insurance will not need to be so expensive – even for pre-existing conditions. Insurance sometimes pays hundreds if not thousands of dollars for routine procedures. This drives the costs up for everybody. The system is broken, but the answer is not to break it even more.

    #1568150

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “The problem is that prices aren’t published like they are for every other industry, ”

    This is Yet another problem. I didn’t mean that my example (which you grant is a valid one with emergencies, though not all encounters).

    “Insurance sometimes pays hundreds if not thousands of dollars for routine procedures.”

    I’m not sure why “routineness” of a procedure would determine its cost. Can you explain why this is so?

    “even for pre-existing conditions.”
    Without regulation pre-existing conditions would usually not be covered. nor should they be. Try buying homeowners’ insurance after a house is on fire. It doesn’t even make sense, it isnt really “insurance” at that point.

    #1568017

    Amil Zola
    Participant

    C, I’m going to give you a couple of examples as to why its a waste to address your points. I mention access to contraception, you ignore the fact that the VP is adamant about making contraception illegal and go off about who pays. I mention regulation of insurance, you mention cost, ignoring the fact that states fix prices on insurances sold in their states. You choose to ignore the most recent (today’s) administration edicts on ins. coverage and standards of coverage. Im guessing you choose to respond to topics with generalized straw men I could be wrong, but meh, it’s not going to keep me awake nights.

    Have a good day and a pleasant tomorrow.

    #1568215

    Curiosity
    Participant

    Amil Zola,
    The story about VP Pence being against contraceptives in policy is fake news propaganda. It has long been debunked. He is against abortion, but that isn’t a contraceptive. I don’t need to address false misinformation.

    #1568207

    jdf007
    Participant

    That country is an unimaginable cesspool. Democrats want to turn the country into a cesspool. Ergo, Democrats should move.

    That’s simpler logic. Want to live somewhere with no rule of law, and 80% of the economy is illegal, not to mention the judicial system, banking system, etc and your minimum wage is nowhere near 15/hour? I have the place for you.

    #1568299

    dbrim
    Participant

    Kudos to you Curiosity for a well-informed, eloquent presentation of the facts in a political climate in which truth is subjective – let’s hope there are enough rational, thinking people out there to save the US.

    #1568641

    Curiosity
    Participant

    Ubiquitin- When I referenced high costs for routine procedures, I meant things like charging $60 for an aspirin, or $500 for a 10 minute checkup & diagnosis. Maybe “routine” wasn’t the right word to use.

    With regards to pre-existing conditions being covered. As an example, if costs were lowered from the level of insanity that they’re at now, insurance companies might be able to hedge their risk of a small number of people with pre-existing conditions in a large group policy. Say a company with 500 employees has 45 employees with pre-existing conditions. Insurance companies are more likely to calculate that it’s worth the added revenue of 500 monthly premiums to take on the added treatment costs of 45 patients, once the treatment costs go down dramatically. I’m not an actuary so I can’t speak to that with certainty.

    dbrim- Thanks! 😀

    #1568666

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    ” I meant things like charging $60 for an aspirin, or $500 for a 10 minute checkup & diagnosis. ”

    I agree we need MORE regulation. IT is crazy that once a person is in a hospital he is at their mercy and then gets charged crazy prices for an aspirin. The Government should absolutely step in and say that it isnt ok.

    “Insurance companies are more likely”
    1. Arguably “more likely” isnt enough. Some want a guarantee
    2. It obviously depends on the conditions dealing with. Plus dont forget the other 455 people will cost money too its not like
    3. We dont have to guess what would happen. I know people who were denied insurance prior to Obama zul zein gezunt in shtark.
    4. not everyone’s employer provides medical insurance (yet another absurd aspect of our system)

    #1568692

    jackk
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    “If you vote democrat, you should move to Mexico” – you call that rational thinking and an eloquent presentation of the facts ?!

    I call that a troll.

    #1568726

    👑RebYidd23
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    Insurance isn’t really insurance anymore.

    #1568753

    Curiosity
    Participant

    Jackk, I also called that a troll, above.

    Ubiquitin,
    Regulations started before Obama. The healthcare system was broken way before Obama thanks to intrusive government. I don’t think the answer to Hospital A charging $60 for aspirins is to add more regulation, which helped caused the lunacy to begin with. The answer is Hospital B down the street from Hospital A that charges $5 for an aspirin, thereby soaking up all the business from Hospital A and causing it to lower its fees. As a general rule, everything the government touches goes to gehenom. Get the government out of healthcare. I also don’t think all employers should have an obligation to provide health insurance – that’s not fair to employers that can’t afford it, and it stifles the economy and growth of small-to-medium sized business that operate in a start-up environment and try to compete with big corporate behemoths.

    #1568798

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “Regulations started before Obama. ”

    Oh sure they did, but There was more wiggle room than their is now, as far as preexisting conditions goes.

    You aspirin example is cute but ignores reality. Once a person is in a hospital for whatever reason, be it emergency or “routine” you are at their mercy. Why would they charge $5 for an aspirin, you cant go down the street to the other hospital.
    Furthermore, you cant even find out what the other hospital charges for an aspirin.
    Try it.
    Take a routine procedure: Child birth, perhaps the number one reason for hospitalization. Most are uneventful leading to a 2 day or so hospitalization. Call your local hospital, tell them you are paying out of pocket and are shopping around for the cheapest place (obviously this isnt an emergency.) Yo uwill not get a straight answer. If you dont want to cal yourself, there are some videos on youtube of this being attempted (though of course they can be fake).

    “As a general rule, everything the government touches goes to gehenom.”
    Even general rules have exceptions. I assume you agree military is best run by the government, roads, streetlights. etc.

    “I also don’t think all employers should have an obligation to provide health insurance – that’s not fair to employers that can’t afford it,”

    I agree! Let the government run it this employer run system is absurd

    #1568811

    Amil Zola
    Participant

    Curio, Pence often shares his views on the availability of contraception when in his speeches tofundamentalist xtian PACs. (FRC Action, Xtian Advocates Serving, and AFA just to mention a few. ) Sometime it’s worthy to look at the coverage of these meetings/rallies/fundraiser, the uber xtian press gives them great coverage.

    #1568819

    Curiosity
    Participant

    Ubiquitin – I know you can’t do get prices like that. Part of the reason is because every situation varies so much that’s it’s not possible to quote. However, if there’s any added laws I would support it would be pro-free market laws, such as ones which would force health providers to list their charged fees.

    I do agree the military is best run by government. Defending the people and their rights is the number one duty of the government. Public utilities – I would say that’s better handled by municipal and state governments. I don’t need my federal tax dollars going to pay for filling potholes in Albuquerque, and I don’t believe in heavy federal subsidies.

    #1568869

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    People who benefit from illegal immigration benefit specifically from the illegality, to the detriment of the immigrants.

    #1568866

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “I know you can’t do get prices like that. Part of the reason is because every situation varies so much that’s it’s not possible to quote. ”

    nonsense. Most childbirths are the same (that’s why I used the example) . And even if different, they are similar enough that you shoudl be able to get a ball park estimate.

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