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Cholov Yisroel?
I want[ed] to send a Chabad couple a special box of Chanukah chocolates, but AFAIK this particular type of chocolate is only made by one manufacturer, and only comes in Cholov Stam (not even a pareve version)…
Since I’m not going to ask the couple if they consume only Cholov Yisroel, is it safe to assume that they definitely wouldn’t eat Cholov Stam?
Fyi: The husband is a Chabad rabbi (employed in another profession.. but still very involved in representing Chabad in Jewish outreach, etc.).
My gut says that they wouldn’t eat it, and it’s better not to send the Cholov Stam chocolate.
What do you think?
Thank you ☺
Be safe and don’t send it to them.
As a general rule, we do not eat” cholov stam”, I am 99.9 percent sure he would not eat it
He definitely will not eat it.
They will not eat it
chalav akum is treif if you are like chabad and dont hold of rav moshe’s heter
Lubavitchers don’t use their own OK-D hechsher?
Lubavitchers don’t use their own OK-D hechsher?
It’s not an official Chabad hechsher, and no, Lubavichers don’t eat it.
Cholov akum causes terrible things …
Cholov akum causes terrible things …
You do know that we’re talking about cholov stam, which was not even regarded as full fledged cholov akum by the Rebbe, don’t you?
It causes Sfeikie B’Emunah…
Sfekis*
It causes Sfeikie [sic] B’Emunah…
But I hear it helps with reading comprehension…
It causes Sfeikie B’Emunah…
What does?
Eating Cholov Akum definitely causes negative spiritual consequences. And many hold that which is called Cholov Stam is Cholov Akum mamish.
On Purim a few years ago I asked my local Chabad rabbi if a particular snack bar was suitable as Mishloach Manot. He said that he would not be able to eat it, since the certification was OU-D (Chalav stam). Since then, I’ve made a point of using only pareve items.
@ Joseph
Eating Cholov Akum definitely causes negative spiritual consequences. And many hold that which is called Cholov Stam is Cholov Akum mamish.
Going against the will of Hashem causes negative consequences. Not just spiritual, ultimately in the olam hagashmi as well. Relying on the psak of the Posek HaDor can hardly be construed as going against th
You do know that there is Halachic basis for assuring most dairy products in America today (including the chalav Yisroel ones. This is why we have Poskim.
And yes I am aware that the issur of consuming non kosher is unique (its mitamtem halev, causes our very selves to become defiled, etc.
And many hold that which is called Cholov Stam is Cholov Akum mamish.
Name them.
End of the sentence got cut off. Should read:
Relying on the psak of the Posek HaDor can hardly be construed as going against the Will of Hashem
“Name them”
Satmar Rov, Debrecener Rov, Rav Vozner, Viener Rov, Rav Yechezkol Roth, etc.
NP: If one is a member of a community or congregation that holds that Cholov Stam is Cholov Akum mamish, then eating CS is absolutely no different than eating CA, and carries the same negative spiritual consequences.
@ Joseph
“If one is a member of a community or congregation that holds that Cholov Stam is Cholov Akum mamish, then eating CS is absolutely no different than eating CA, and carries the same negative spiritual consequences”
Sorry. Halacha does not exist in a bubble. Even if a particular Posek is machmir for himself and his congregation. Even if he thinks HaRav Moshe’s Psak is an error. The issue remains categorically a dispute among the Poskim (about a din d’rebonon by the way). He can disagree but he cannot pretend Rav Moshe’s psak doesn’t exist.
Now if he brings proofs against Rav Moshe’s Psak AND those proofs are deemed adequate by a majority of contemparary Poskim, AND it becomes the prevalent custom, then there might be something to talk about.
Until such time that Rav Moshe’s Psak becomes nidche (don’t hold your breath) nobody has the right to say that someone who is eating chalav Stam dairy products is eating trief mamash.
Here we go again with the same members arguing the same positions on CY/CS/CA. We have enough of these threads already in the CR. Let’s just answer the OP’s question.
For those who are makpid on CY, your rants that CS is equivalent to CA are not accepted by those who eat/drink CS. Give it a rest.
iac: The OP’s question has already been answered to her satisfaction, and that discussion has been exhausted.
NP:
“Halacha does not exist in a bubble. Even if a particular Posek is machmir for himself and his congregation. Even if he thinks HaRav Moshe’s Psak is an error. The issue remains categorically a dispute among the Poskim (about a din d’rebonon by the way). He can disagree but he cannot pretend Rav Moshe’s psak doesn’t exist.”
We can play your game and say – Halacha does not exist in a bubble. Even if a particular Posek is meikel for himself and his congregation. Even if he thinks Satmar Rov/Debrecener Rov/Rav Vozner’s Psaks are an error. He can disagree but he cannot pretend the Satmar Rov/Debrecener Rov/Rav Vozner’s psaks doesn’t exist.
“Now if he brings proofs against Rav Moshe’s Psak AND those proofs are deemed adequate by a majority of contemparary Poskim, AND it becomes the prevalent custom, then there might be something to talk about.”
Now if he brings proofs against Satmar Rov/Debrecener Rov/Rav Vozner’s Psaks AND those proofs are deemed adequate by a majority of contemparary Poskim, then there might be something to talk about.
Bottom line: You’re wrong. If someone is a member of a community or congregation that holds that Cholov Stam is Cholov Akum mamish, then eating CS is absolutely no different than eating CA for those people. There being other poskim who hold differently absolutely does not permit members of those kehilos to shop and use Psaks opposite of their own Psak.
Considering the fact that the Chazon Ish meikar hadin held like the Pri Chodosh, I am quite skeptical that Rav Vozner wouldn’t be meikil b’sha’as had’chak (albeit with more stringent paramaters for sha’as had’chak than R’ Moshe).
“There being other poskim who hold differently absolutely does not permit members of those kehilos to shop and use Psaks opposite of their own Psak.”
I never said that it does. They should most certainly follow the Psak of their Rav.
@ Joseph
“Now if he brings proofs against Satmar Rov/Debrecener Rov/Rav Vozner’s Psaks AND those proofs are deemed adequate by a majority of contemparary Poskim, then there might be something to talk about.”
You are 100% correct. At that point (don’t hold your breath) their opinion would be nidcheh and we would consider someone who is machmir a chossid shotteh and a hedyot. Until them it remains a machlokis.
@ iacsrmma
“For those who are makpid on CY, your rants that CS is equivalent to CA are not accepted by those who eat/drink CS.”I am makpid to use only CY.
Even Rov moshies p’sak, since then there has been many changes to the milk process and Rabonim who are matier cs have to include new hateirim. Which r’ Moshe may or may have not agreed with.
non political: my comment was not directed at you.
I know a lot of Lubavitchers and they only eat Cholov Yisroel.
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