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Sadgirlygirl -“but the point is I leftttttt!”
Question – Why did you leave? Because you asked your mentor or because of the posts here?
Health
she says why she left
“he combined three jobs in one in order not have to pay more people (I was receptionist, assistant, and ……..cleaning lady) so between all my gross conditions (cleaning bathroom garbage etc) I led [left?] in addition to the uncomfortableness”
Quitter?!?
I’d say you’re a brave, courageous, intelligent person. Someone strong enough to stand up for principles and priorities. There aren’t too many of that model these days….
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Sadgirlygirl: Yasher Koach!!! You are very brave, and I am sure Hashem will reward you tremendously for this!!!
Hatzlacha in putting up with the “quitting” comments. I know how hard it can be when you are doing the right thing and no one gets it and criticizes you instead of encouraging you!!
jf2 -shkoyach on your post pointing out the post that needed deleting!!
Tizki L’Mitzvos – tremendous zchus that you have for that!
Sparkly – she quit her job, not college.
Sadgirlygirl – good for you. now youll earn yourself a nice good education h’h.
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Sparkly – “apushatayid – so you hang out with the other gender? its not a psak to not hang out with the other gender most rabbis unless their mo say its not okay to hang out with the other gender.”
i think that even mo rabbis say that its prohibited to hang out with the other gender.
“Sparkly – “apushatayid – so you hang out with the other gender? its not a psak to not hang out with the other gender most rabbis unless their mo say its not okay to hang out with the other gender.”
i think that even mo rabbis say that its prohibited to hang out with the other gender.”
And either way, the halacha does not change based on calling oneself MO. Either it’s assur according to halacha or it’s muttar and you can’t change halacha by calling yourself MO. It’s not like being Ashkenazi and Sefardim where (in some cases) there are different halachos (although not when it comes to things like this).
“apushatayid – so you hang out with the other gender?”
You either have a fertile imagination, poor reading comprehension skills, or a combination of both.
“its not a psak to not hang out with the other gender most rabbis unless their mo say its not okay to hang out with the other gender.”
Halacha is unanimous that taking pot shots at other people (and I am not referring to me) is a violation of the lav of onaas devarim even if done on a website with the word yeshiva in its name.
showjoe – if you really think that mo rabbis say its not okay to hang out with the other genders then you most likely dont know what mo is.
lilmod ulelamaid – mo is ALLOWED to hang out with the other gender. its a more lenient way of being religious. if you think mo isnt allowed to hang out with the other gender than you probably dont know what mo is.
Sparkly – you don’t know what the word “allowed” means. The Torah does not give special allowances to people who decide to call themselves MO.
lilmod ulelamaid – i meant to say that the mo rabbis say its okay to hang out with the other gender. these mo people i keep talking about literally basically only keep shabbos and kosher and some other stuff.
According to you isn’t that considered being a frum Jew?
Sparkly, my original statement was that either it is muttar or assur according to Halacha. What a Rabbi says does not change that. Rabbis can’t change Halacha.
Sparkly, I have noticed from some of your posts that you seem to be confused about something. You seem to have this idea that if someone has the title Rabbi, then everything he says is true and you can believe it and act accordingly. If someone says something that is against the Torah, the fact that he has the title Rabbi does not make it true, regardless of whether he calls himself an MO Rabbi or a Chareidi Rabbi etc. I also know a “Chareidi Rabbi” who told people that it’s okay to not be shomer negiah. That didn’t make it okay. It did make him unqualified to hold the title Rabbi. The same goes for your “modern orthodox Rabbi” if he is fact telling people that.
sparkly- “showjoe – if you really think that mo rabbis say its not okay to hang out with the other genders then you most likely dont know what mo is.”
i don’t believe that they hold its OK, i just think that they wisely choose not to press the matter if they have congregants that cant handle this particular inyan.
however i didnt think that any rabbim say that its mutter l’chatchila to hang out with the other gender.
if you have sources that prove otherwise, just let me know.
” these mo people i keep talking about literally basically only keep shabbos and kosher and some other stuff. “
thank you for clarifying! we could have gone a whole conversation talking about two different types of modern orthodox people!
Sparkly, you also need to differentiate between the people and the Rabbi. The fact that the people are only keeping Shabbos and Kashrus does not necessarily mean that the Rabbi said that they don’t have to keep the other Mitzvos.
Lefty SoferStam – yes.
lilmod ulelamaid – i NEVER said all rabbis are right at all that statement would be VERY incorrect. reform and conservative rabbis are horrible.
I was talking about Orthodox Rabbis
Sparkly,
“if there’s a rabbinic will, there’s a rabbinic way”
float your boat?
It is Time for Truth – no i dont trust all rabbis. some could be VERY incorrect.
It is time for truth – your comment about sadgirlygirl was completely inappropriate and baseless. There is absolutely nothing wrong with her opening post. She was in no way “over” on being dan l’kaf zchus! She even says that she assumes the doctor is a yarei Shamayim.
She was simply taking the precautions that every Frum girl is supposed to take! Being overly trusting is not the Jewish way! We are supposed to take precautions and make “gedarim”! I think that Sadgirlygirl is to be greatly commended for listening to her instincts and being brave enough to quit her job when she felt there could be a problem!! And all those who have criticized her owe her a major apology!!
lilmod ulelamaid – the whole time i said to quit.
Sparkly – I wasn’t talking to you! I was talking to someone else – but it looks like her/his comment was taken out!
lilmod ulelamaid – okay…
LU -“And all those who have criticized her owe her a major apology!!”
Speaking about apologies, you owe me and DY an apology from the Brochos topic!
Basically, you were trying to pretend that the Mishna Berurah says that the usual case is that Haetz comes first when he says nothing of the sort!! But of course, since you never saw the Mishna Brurah, you wouldn’t know that!
LU -“Basically, you were trying to pretend that the Mishna Berurah says that the usual case is that Haetz comes first when he says nothing of the sort!! But of course, since you never saw the Mishna Brurah, you wouldn’t know that”
First of all, even if I never saw the MB, which I did, DY quotes it.
Secondly, it never was about the MB, just what you should do practically!
I’m still waiting for the apology!
Health – go to the forgive and forget thread. and forgive each other.
Health -1. It was about the Mishna Brurah.
2. DY quotes the Mishna Berura out of context. I explained that earlier. I would explain it again, but I don’t see the point if you are not interested in hearing. I am getting tired of repeating myself.
3. Even the Mishna Brura that he quotes does not say that in most situations we say Haetz.
4. If you learn the entire Siman in the Shulchan Aruch and Mishna Berurah and Biur Halacha, preferably the proper way by starting with the Gemara and Rishonim, you would understand what the Mishna Brurah says.
5. I wouldn’t mind explaining it to you, but I really don’t have the impression that you have any interest in listening.
6. You have proved my point that people who don’t have the proper background should not learn Mishna Brurah since they will misunderstand it. This has nothing to do with being male or female – it has to do with background.
7. You are the one who owes me an apology. You started up with me, insisting that I don’t know what I am talking about and am teaching halacha incorrectly, and you have not been able to prove me wrong, yet you keep attacking me.
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