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  • January 23, 2017 4:05 am at 4:05 am #619073
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    because I can’t read DY’s response on the driving thread because it might contain Divrei Torah and I can’t say birchas haTorah because I didn’t sleep during the day or night so I have to wait until netz so I can say Ahava Raba instead. Oh, well. I guess it will have to wait.

    January 23, 2017 4:43 am at 4:43 am #1211110
    Joseph
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    It’s okay. You can admit his sharp response was much too difficult for you to retort to; and you’re hoping overnight you’ll find some semblance of a response. 😉

    January 23, 2017 5:07 am at 5:07 am #1211111
    Lightbrite
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    There they’re their little one.

    His post is like a green banana right now. Soon it will ripen.

    You have amazing self-restraint and conviction.

    January 24, 2017 2:13 am at 2:13 am #1211112
    ☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲
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    Are you sure there is a need to say birchas haTorah again

    after a sleepless night?

    January 24, 2017 2:27 am at 2:27 am #1211113
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Randomex – I’m not sure what you mean by “again”.

    If you didn’t sleep all night and also hadn’t slept at all during the day on the day before, you are not allowed to say birchas hashachar.

    Therefore, I couldn’t learn until I had a way to be yotzei birchas haTorah by saying Ahava Raba in davening.

    Are you trying to say that I shouldn’t have needed birchas haTorah at all and t/f would be able to learn w/o it? That is not true. When you are up all night, you are supposed to try to find someone to be yotzi you in birchas haTorah. In my case, that is not practical, so I am yotzei with Ahava Rabba instead (which is simpler for a girl anyhow. For a boy, being yotzi with Ahava Rabba is more complicated halachically).

    January 24, 2017 2:46 am at 2:46 am #1211114
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Do you never sleep?

    January 24, 2017 2:56 am at 2:56 am #1211115
    Lightbrite
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    I think LU has three modes:

    1) Awake, when she can post at any time, and call the LH hotline

    2) Halachic, which is her “off” feature, that provides us with masterful halacha and further information

    3) Shabbos, self-explanatory

    January 24, 2017 3:05 am at 3:05 am #1211116
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Oh. Because if she sleeps during the day, then according to R’ Akiva Eiger, she can say BH”T.

    January 24, 2017 3:17 am at 3:17 am #1211117
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    I just have a weird schedule because there are a lot of things that I have to do during American evening hours (middle of the night here), so I usually sleep during the day, but sometimes I have to do things during the day so I have to be up during the day.

    Also it’s really depressing to sleep all day in the winter, so sometimes I try to be up during the day and sleep at night, but the problem is that even when I don’t technically need to be up at night, it’s hard for me to switch my schedule.

    The other complication with having an “American schedule” in Israel is that it doesn’t work well with Shabbos.

    So yes, I do sleep, but not enough and at weird times.

    That’s why I’m in the CR so much. It keeps me going when I’m exhausted (which is most of the time).

    January 24, 2017 3:19 am at 3:19 am #1211118
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    DY: “Oh. Because if she sleeps during the day, then according to R’ Akiva Eiger, she can say BH”T.”

    That’s what I usually do. I don’t usually go without sleep for an entire day and night. That was unusual. I am human :).

    January 24, 2017 3:26 am at 3:26 am #1211119
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    So why were you frustrated?

    January 24, 2017 3:48 am at 3:48 am #1211120
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Because yesterday, I happened not to have slept at all during the day or night, so I couldn’t say birchas haTorah and it was after alos hashachar but before netz so I couldn’t daven yet (and be yotzei with ahava rabba), and I saw that you had responded to my post on the driving thread but I couldn’t read it and respond to it, because I was scared that it might have divrei Torah.

    btw, did you ever bother reading my lengthy responses? (and if you are going to say they were too long to read, that is not an excuse, because that is the reason I deliberately wrote short posts in the first place, but then they were too short and you didn’t understand what I meant, so I had to write long posts to explain, so if you didn’t bother reading them, then I will be really frustrated after I took so much time to write them!!!)

    January 24, 2017 4:03 am at 4:03 am #1211121
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Pashtus, you could still learn if you can’t be yotzei birchas haTorah, especially if you’re not speaking out the words.

    January 24, 2017 4:03 am at 4:03 am #1211122
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I think I read all of your responses.

    January 24, 2017 4:07 am at 4:07 am #1211123
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    I know that if you are already learning, you are allowed to continue, but I wasn’t already learning. Also, the halachos might be more stringent for girls since there is no bittul Torah issue. For a boy even if he wasn’t already learning, I would think that he would be allowed to learn if he can’t be yotzei birchas haTorah, but it might be different for a girl.

    January 24, 2017 4:08 am at 4:08 am #1211124
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Thank you.

    January 26, 2017 12:05 am at 12:05 am #1211125
    ☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲
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    According to Rav Simcha Bunim Cohen (Laws of Daily Living, Vol. 1, page 174), one who was awake all night should say Birchos Hashachar, with the exceptions of those that refer to sleep – Elokai Neshomo and haMa’avir Sheinah, which they should be yotzei by listening to someone else. Regarding Birchas haTorah, the Mishnah Berurah says not to say them oneself, but many Acharonim disagree. Recent poskim (Rav Shlomo Zalman, Rav Wosner) disagree on whether one is allowed to learn without having been yotzei Birchas haTorah that day if he cannot currently find someone to be motzi him.

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