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September 18, 2022 10:24 am at 10:24 am #2125730
I will give credit where it’s due. YU is doing the best thing in the circumstances that they’re currently in. Is this the beginning of change there? I would be glad to accept them; no malice, no grudge holding. Will this “start a conversation” in YU about how they ended up at this point? Will they wake up and become a Landers yeshiva?
They’re actually sacrificing for Hashem and Torah. I honestly did not think they were capable of doing this… embarrassing themselves in front of the goyim and esteemed universities. They’re being brave. I commend them.September 18, 2022 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm #2125838
Avira, yasher koach.September 18, 2022 6:29 pm at 6:29 pm #2125982
In today’s political climate, with the constitution of this Supreme Court, please elaborate, what exactly is YU risking?September 18, 2022 7:15 pm at 7:15 pm #2126018
Ym – teshuvaso betzidah
Today’s political climate, especially in the academic circles which YU usually seeks to mingle with, is off-the-rails leftist, thinking that there is absolutely no room for even discussing gay rights.September 18, 2022 7:50 pm at 7:50 pm #2126025
@ Ada Notre Dame has LGBTQ+ counseling. The Southern Baptist Church Seminary has lectures on why homosexuality is a sin.
YU is threading a needle where it accepts gay and welcomed gay students while refusing to host official clubs.
So no, I don’t particularly see the risk. The left is happiest having something to advocate for, and the right is satisfied with meeningless gestures.September 18, 2022 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm #2126030
> Notre Dame … Southern Baptist Church …
those are not in Manhattan. Avira is right – going against the environment is difficult.September 18, 2022 9:17 pm at 9:17 pm #2126044LostsparkParticipant
Would there be this much commotion if there was a pro Avoda Zara club, or a pro Frankist/Sabbatean club? This club is no different in my eyes. LGBTQ+ is a evangelical and corrupting movement.
Banning all clubs was the cowardly move that causes many people to lose opportunities to network.September 18, 2022 11:11 pm at 11:11 pm #2126088
I don’t see any cowardice; they’re making a statement that they will not have toevah clubs. They’re doing it using a clever eitzah – they can’t stop it because the court ordered them to recognize it.
What they’re doing is a sacrifice, both in terms of making students lose out on something that they (erroneously) believe is worthwhile, and by becoming the laughing stock of the academic world.
Who knows… Maybe they’ll have the courage to close up their school if they’re forced into recognizing toevos…September 19, 2022 9:35 am at 9:35 am #2126175MarxistParticipant
“What they’re doing is a sacrifice, both in terms of making students lose out on something that they (erroneously) believe is worthwhile”
Clubs certainly help on one’s resume. That’s besides the fact that people genuinely enjoy them and it gives one the chance to develop non-academic skills.September 19, 2022 11:16 am at 11:16 am #21262021Participant
Most of the people at YU think they are in the perfect paradigm for a frum Jew. I don’t think Rav Solovietchik wanted it to be like this nor do some of the Rabbeim there do. For a good many people who go to YU if it wasn’t around they would have gone to secular colleges and would be davening in conservative shuls today if any.September 19, 2022 11:33 am at 11:33 am #2126215
@ 1 Point of fact, of it was not for Rabbi Kotler, many of today’s Rabbis would have gone to secular colleges, or into business, or according to some biographies, into professional sports.
It’s amazing how quickly some people are to inflate the challenges some yeshivas face while glossing over the failures of their own.September 19, 2022 1:24 pm at 1:24 pm #21262281Participant
Lakewood is against going to college so yes it stopped a different demographic from doing so. However the MO do go to college so if there wouldn’t have been YU they would have gone to different universities. I’m not a YU or a Lakewood guy so I can talk up the pros and cons of both.September 19, 2022 1:24 pm at 1:24 pm #2126253ujmParticipant
YU, is at most, a b’dieved for those that would have done even less without it.September 19, 2022 1:25 pm at 1:25 pm #2126255
Marx, they’re just a waste of time; what I meant is that to a Torah jew, it’s not a big sacrifice – just don’t have any clubs; not the end of the world. For YU, it’s a big sacrifice, because they care about such “fun” things.
It would be like telling an adult that you can’t have cotton candy anymore, versus telling that to a child.September 19, 2022 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm #2126256
So a child sacrificing cotton candy means a lot more than if an adult did so.September 19, 2022 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #2126434
> YU, is at most, a b’dieved for those that would have done even less without it.
I know a family whose kids went to a moderni school and they went to YU while others were going to Ivy and looking down at them. In this case, it was definitely l’hatchila. It is a sacrifice for someone who can get into a high-end academic school to go to YU instead – both academically and financially.
I am not sure how it would be b’dieved. If someone can’t get to best schools, he can get to a comparable quality at way cheaper and easier to access places. Please explain.September 19, 2022 10:52 pm at 10:52 pm #2126435
So, there will be less clubs, more time for learning and training for parnosah, less tuition (?), so more time for father to learn. Only good comes out of it.
You can put an internship instead of a club onto your resume. I don’t know who hires based on clubs and, frankly, would not advise going to such an employer.September 19, 2022 11:07 pm at 11:07 pm #2126440MarxistParticipant
“You can put an internship instead of a club onto your resume. I don’t know who hires based on clubs and, frankly, would not advise going to such an employer.”
Nobody hires you solely based on your clubs. Just like they don’t hire you solely based on your GPA. It’s a combination of things that gets the deal sealed. Employers like seeing that you are part of clubs, that you are social and have good communication skills. Ask any college career advisor.September 19, 2022 11:26 pm at 11:26 pm #2126455
Marxist > Ask any college career advisor.
You would be better off asking an employer, like me. Demand that YU refund the club money and use this money to join a club of your choice. Most colleges spend more than 50% on “overhead” (I know precise numbers for those with which I did business), this is not counting wasted classes… Most reasonable professors lament that their colleges spent so much money on buildings and other nonsense. What if a Jewish college shows rachmonus on Jewish parents and decrease extras and tuition. Will they lose customers? Probably. So, then it is “our” fault for demanding these clubs, not the university’s.September 20, 2022 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm #2126398
Further in the interest of emes, after seeing an man on the faculty list of azrieli school of Jewish education who is openly married in a toeva “family” with an unfortunate adopted baby… Who also teaches classes… Sporting a hat and jacket to boot..
His husband says that they’re accepted in the Washington heights community. What about his rebbeim? How do they feel? Why haven’t they stopped him from becoming involved in the school? Who else is involved in the school who is a wanton sinner and mechalel shem shomayim? Was it only a powerful minority which forced the school’s hand in blocking all student clubs?
What is the real YU, and is it rotten to its core, beyond repair?September 20, 2022 9:55 pm at 9:55 pm #2126835
> His husband says that they’re accepted
This sounds sad, but do you actually have evidence beyond the obviously posul person?September 20, 2022 10:46 pm at 10:46 pm #2126868
Aaq, unfortunately i do have evidence; Yeshiva university, the revel graduate school for Jewish studies, wished the sinful couple a mazel tov on the arrival of their daughter on Facebook. They’re aware of the “marriage” and allowed this toeva man to be a student liasion, communications worker, and Hebrew teacherSeptember 20, 2022 11:32 pm at 11:32 pm #2126874LostsparkParticipant
Is there an article related to this outrageous issue?!?September 21, 2022 12:51 am at 12:51 am #2126888
I was told here that graduate school is a separate institution, associated with YU just for accreditation. According to this shitah, this would be kosher. I do not like it, the names of people, and institution should mean something. “Revel” may be the appropriate name, though.September 21, 2022 1:04 am at 1:04 am #2126898
Lost, I’m referring to the teacher who was BH fired from the Brooklyn yeshiva – the teacher is married to another man, who i described above
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