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What are the best methods in dealing with incorrigible children?September 2, 2018 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1584617Takes2-2tangoParticipant
Who determined they are incorrigible?September 2, 2018 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1584609☕️coffee addictParticipant
Kill him by stoning
Ben sorer umoreh styleSeptember 2, 2018 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1584614☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Be positive with them.
Constant incorrigment.September 2, 2018 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1584598The little I knowParticipant
The definition of “incorrigible” is the inability to be corrected. Long before a response to this question is deserved, there must be something convincing that we are dealing with a truly “incorrigible” child. There are children that can be difficult, and these difficulties can vary among a wide spectrum of possibilities. But to determine that someone is hopeless is a problem. Who paskens this? A frustrated parent or rebbe is hardly qualified to apply such a finalistic label.September 2, 2018 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1584604BaltimoreMavenParticipant
There is no such thing. Anyone can change and anyone can do Teshuva. Even Nero, Nevuzaraden, Bnei Korach, Bnei bonov shel Homan. Acher.
(of a person or their tendencies) not able to be corrected, improved, or reformed.
synonyms: inveterate, habitual, confirmed, hardened, dyed-in-the-wool, incurable, chronic, irredeemable, hopeless, beyond hope; More
an incorrigible person.September 2, 2018 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1584606ZionGateParticipant
Are you asking as a parent or teacher?
Parents are often told ” He’ll/She’ll grow out of it.” Most often that comes true.
A teacher has limited time and is responsible for 20-35 others.
Even with so much advise from “experts”, in the related fields, I’m kinda pessimistic if the child is truly incorrigible.
Maybe one gets lucky and hits the right button.September 2, 2018 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1584596
Don’t try to corrige them.September 2, 2018 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #1584653akupermaParticipant
Ha-Shem designed little kids. They are supposed to be that way. They event turn into grown-ups. As you did.September 2, 2018 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm #1584658Takes2-2tangoParticipant
Maybe the parents are the ones who are incorridgibleSeptember 2, 2018 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm #1584661slominerParticipant
Baltimore: What about a ben sorer umoreh?September 5, 2018 3:03 pm at 3:03 pm #1587744Avram in MDParticipant
Incorrigible is a statement about the caregiver more than the child – i.e., “not able to be corrected, improved, or reformed” by the parent or teacher. The solution, therefore, is to reach out for assistance. A rav, a frum counselor or parenting expert, or even a peer who has an outside perspective.September 5, 2018 3:03 pm at 3:03 pm #1587747Avram in MDParticipant
“What about a ben sorer umoreh?”
Show me a case where someone was actually in this halachic category, and then we can talk.September 5, 2018 3:27 pm at 3:27 pm #1587758
The Gemorah quotes an Amora who testified that he personally stood at the grave of a ben sorer umoreh.September 5, 2018 10:47 pm at 10:47 pm #1588040WolfishMusingsParticipant
The Gemorah quotes an Amora who testified that he personally stood at the grave of a ben sorer umoreh.
Actually, it was the Tanna, R. Yonasan.
In any event, there is also an opinion that it never happened. Then there’s also the point that R. Yonasan was a Kohen.
Kill him by stoning
Ben sorer umoreh style
That’s what they should have done to me when I was thirteen… ah well, missed opportunities.
The WolfSeptember 6, 2018 7:23 pm at 7:23 pm #1588765
Why do you hate yourself so much when you’re such a great person?September 11, 2018 10:42 pm at 10:42 pm #1589413WolfishMusingsParticipant
Why do you hate yourself so much when you’re such a great person?
Your question contains a fatal error.
The WolfSeptember 11, 2018 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #1589531
I disagree.September 11, 2018 11:31 pm at 11:31 pm #1589528
You’re incorrigible, Wolf.
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