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    Joseph
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    What are the best methods in dealing with incorrigible children?

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    Takes2-2tango
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    Who determined they are incorrigible?

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    ☕️coffee addict
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    Kill him by stoning

    Ben sorer umoreh style

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    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Be positive with them.

    Constant incorrigment.

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    The little I know
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    The definition of “incorrigible” is the inability to be corrected. Long before a response to this question is deserved, there must be something convincing that we are dealing with a truly “incorrigible” child. There are children that can be difficult, and these difficulties can vary among a wide spectrum of possibilities. But to determine that someone is hopeless is a problem. Who paskens this? A frustrated parent or rebbe is hardly qualified to apply such a finalistic label.

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    BaltimoreMaven
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    There is no such thing. Anyone can change and anyone can do Teshuva. Even Nero, Nevuzaraden, Bnei Korach, Bnei bonov shel Homan. Acher.

    in·cor·ri·gi·ble
    inˈkôrəjəb(ə)l/
    adjective
    1.
    (of a person or their tendencies) not able to be corrected, improved, or reformed.
    synonyms: inveterate, habitual, confirmed, hardened, dyed-in-the-wool, incurable, chronic, irredeemable, hopeless, beyond hope; More
    noun
    1.
    an incorrigible person.

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    ZionGate
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    Are you asking as a parent or teacher?
    Parents are often told ” He’ll/She’ll grow out of it.” Most often that comes true.
    A teacher has limited time and is responsible for 20-35 others.
    Even with so much advise from “experts”, in the related fields, I’m kinda pessimistic if the child is truly incorrigible.
    Maybe one gets lucky and hits the right button.

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    👑RebYidd23
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    Don’t try to corrige them.

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    akuperma
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    Ha-Shem designed little kids. They are supposed to be that way. They event turn into grown-ups. As you did.

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    Takes2-2tango
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    Maybe the parents are the ones who are incorridgible

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    slominer
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    Baltimore: What about a ben sorer umoreh?

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    Avram in MD
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    Joseph,

    Incorrigible is a statement about the caregiver more than the child – i.e., “not able to be corrected, improved, or reformed” by the parent or teacher. The solution, therefore, is to reach out for assistance. A rav, a frum counselor or parenting expert, or even a peer who has an outside perspective.

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    Avram in MD
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    slominer,

    “What about a ben sorer umoreh?”

    Show me a case where someone was actually in this halachic category, and then we can talk.

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    Joseph
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    Avram,

    The Gemorah quotes an Amora who testified that he personally stood at the grave of a ben sorer umoreh.

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    WolfishMusings
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    The Gemorah quotes an Amora who testified that he personally stood at the grave of a ben sorer umoreh.

    Actually, it was the Tanna, R. Yonasan.

    In any event, there is also an opinion that it never happened. Then there’s also the point that R. Yonasan was a Kohen.

    Kill him by stoning
    Ben sorer umoreh style

    That’s what they should have done to me when I was thirteen… ah well, missed opportunities.

    The Wolf

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    👑RebYidd23
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    Why do you hate yourself so much when you’re such a great person?

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    WolfishMusings
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    Why do you hate yourself so much when you’re such a great person?

    Your question contains a fatal error.

    The Wolf

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    👑RebYidd23
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    I disagree.

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    Joseph
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    You’re incorrigible, Wolf.

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