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Tickets for the Asifa are on sale now
It is NOT free
$10 each
Can they be purchased online?
Oh, and women, you aren’t welcome to attend.
That’s right… it’s not a matter of separate seating — you can’t attend at all.
Apparently, only men need to know how to properly use the Internet.
The Wolf
The men can tell their wives and daughters.
There will be seating for women.
Mets fans. The dress code is the snow white home jersey with the alternate black cap. This way you will conform with the white shirts and black hats.
Funny part is, women are the ones who will pay to hear a speech.
In fact, $10 is a bargain when you compare it to other women venues.
And they expect to fill a stadium?
They better have a killer buffet. Otherwise, best of luck.
The men can tell their wives and daughters.
And single mothers have no need to instruct their kids about the proper use of the internet? And what about people where the father, for whatever reason, cannot (or will not) attend, but the mother can?
The Wolf
It is free if you get it through a Yeshiva I believe.
Is it assigned seating?
Interesting that you can buy tickets with email…
Is there a website for this?
The Skulener Rebbe is the other godol who is cosponsoring this even with Rav Matisyahu Solomon. Many other gedolim are supporting it too.
Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim is going.
“And the Satmar Rebbe Aaron Teitelbaum has declared the event useless to his people because Satmar dont have computers.”
Isn’t the whole point in this Asifa that the gedolim are finally admitting that Internet (and definitely computers) are an unfortunate necessity and therefore they are no longer assuring them but rather teaching us how to use them properly. If that is the case then according to that quote above, the Satmar Rebbe is arguing with this view. And tell me, do Satmars really not use computers? Don’t any of them work? How do their schools keep records and accounting? I understand if a Rebbe wants to say that Internet is not necessary (and therefore should be avoided) for certain members of his group (bochurim, etc) but I can’t believe that an entire sect of Klal Yisroel has no computers, we aren’t Amish.
“Can they be purchased online… Is there a website?”
I can’t stand these dumb jokes that everybody seems to make. If the point of this event is to admit that the Internet is not totally assur than what better way to demonstrate this than by having a website for the event.
It will be interesting to see if it will be full. It is hard to predict if it will be a success or not. I will go because of curiosity, but I don’t expect this to be a “siyum hashas” caliber.
I bought four tickets. Look, Im no kannai but I am sure not going to be the one who mocks legitimate gedolim and good people, who are trying to do something good.
More important than the Asifa is making the tools necessary to use technology in an appropriate manner available to everyone at a reasonable price. I still have a sour taste in my mouth from the “kosherphone” that charged a ridiculous monthly fee for 100 minutes (at the time, for the same price, I was able to get a plan from verizon for 3x the minutes). If price gouging will be the norm very few people will utiluze these tools. Personally, I still think K-9 is a wonderful tool. Coupled with the fact that my wife and I share the password to the computer (we each enter half the password and dont know the others part) and the computer is in a very public place (the dinig room table – it is a laptop), along with K-9, we feel we are on course with what the gedolim (at the very least our Rav – which at the end of the day is what matters) want.
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To Zahavasdad
R. Dovid Feinstein signed on to the Kol Korei last week encoraging people to go to the Asifa. You can find this Kol Korei in the Yated.
I think I have connected the dots.
Big Hype.
Limited names of Gedolim. Giving the impressions that this is for everyone’s good and then hitting their pockets.
Sponsors to cover the expenses.
Chofetz Chaim going.
The answer- The same people that have promoted the North American Shiduch Initiative.
I guess they need money since the first shiduch may be made.
Why not by email??? It is not an asifa to say e mail is assur, only to educate about the need to exhibit responsible use of the internet. Don’t drive down the dangerous road without driving instructions!! The Gedolim- ainei haeida- want to give instructions and make people feel proud to be part of the zehirus group. What is the downside?
eman- Why don’t you tell that to R’ Matisyahu Salamon who thought of this idea?
zahavasdad- Just out of curiosity, where did you get your information from about R’ Dovid Feinstein, R’ Shmuel Kamenetzky, and the Satmar Rebbe?
zahavasdad simply made-up untruths.
Women should attend.
The husbands are doing a terrible job educating their wives and daughters about tzniyus, what makes antbody think they’ll do a better job with this?
Also…
Satmar people don’t have computers? Dream on…
RABBAIM: I was thinking same thing! I guess since people didn’t go yet so it’s not chal yet lol or it’s easiest method…but im really looking forward!
YW- email was never an issue.. it is unfiltered internet that makes internet risky. One can have email without www access.
” its really a large Yom Yerushalim celebration “
Y’know, this maybe the answer to a very looming question. How do they expect to find 40m people to fill the stadium? After all, what appeals to the chassisheh yingerman from Munroe, will not be of interest to our more modern brothers.
And to pay for entrance, no less?
Answer: print up 2 posters!
For BP, Willy, and Munroe, its an anti-internet asifa.
For everone else, its a YY festival.
As for the Lakewood folks, they need to be in NYC that day anyways (for some reason or another, they always need to be in NYC) so its no tricha.
ZD -“Another thought the internet was evil and the cause of all problems and couldnt wait to go , He couldnt wait for the event and the tremoundous speeches.
Another just didnt care”
This is the main thoughts in Lakewood, except for me of course.
A portion think the first way and I’d say most don’t care.
The ones that don’t care aren’t going to buck the trend or the PC and probably will go – subjecting their beliefs to the first way.
“Why are people being coerced or forced to go”
No one is being “forced” to go. Speaking for myself, I’m going for the following reasons:
Two venerated elders of our time are the leading force behind this. At their age and health, every minute is precious. If they feel this is worth their time and enegry (and they have imvested plenty of each), the least I can do is invest a few hours
Lets be optimistic for a moment, and say this turns out to be a really terrific, momentus event. For $10 and 5 hours of my time, I can tell my great-grandchildren I WAS THERE. If I stay home, all I have is my ten bucks.
So, all things considered, I think going is the smart move.
All I know is many yeshivos are closing because of it including BMG. If the Gedolim feel that this is the proper thing to do and more important than learning then how can one not go?
Wolf – come on.
We all know that the majority of problems associated with internet affect men much more than women.
And if for whatever reason its not for women, should they change that for the relatively minor group of single mothers ?
If these are your reservations… nu nu.
bpt, i love your perspective and agree 100%.
We all know that the majority of problems associated with internet affect men much more than women.
But women *are* affected by these issues, nonetheless, and need to have proper guidance in them just as much as men.
The Wolf
<Climbs on soapbox>
This is a huge step forward from simply imposing upon the community a ban on the internet or trying to limit use of the internet only to the work environment. A bigger problem, maybe, is that there’s a whole segment of the frum community that seems to be so desensitized that they believe that the internet isn’t a problem at all.
It’s argued that the internet is a tool. It’s like an ax or chain saw. One can use an ax for chopping firewood or wood for furniture. It can also damage or even kill. The internet itself is not evil. It depends how one chooses to use it. There are, for instance, tens of thousands of MP3 shiurim of various types available for download.
No doubt there was initial resistance to using technology when it first came out. The telephone could have been used for loshen hora. Tape recorded shiurim mean it’s impersonal and one loses the benefit of the interaction with the maggid shiur. This technology is long well entrenched in the frum community and the benefits outweigh the downfalls.
Software filters may or may not work but maybe the filter that we need to learn is the Neshama filter. If we as a community had a constant realization how precious everyone’s neshamos are and what our true purpose in this world is, maybe we wouldn’t succumb so easily.
The problem isn’t only pritzus or apikorsis, there are issues of shmiras haloshen, including various segments of the frum community who seem to get a type of satisfaction from bashing others segments, instead of working on themselves and promoting achdus.
The “culture” around us venerates entertainment and fun. It glorifies those who lead immoral and degenerate lives, foreign to Torah values.
Mostly, however, the internet is time’s blackhole. Once someone starts reading even the news, it’s amazing how fast time goes. Even if bitul Torah wouldn’t be a problem, it’s amazing how one gets sucked in and does not get more important (even derech eretz) things done.
<Climbs off soapbox>
As far as women being “excluded”, word in shul was that the asifa will be shown live in sevral area halls so that women / girls can take part as well. Chyinka, Charna, Chaya and Faiga were mentioned, but there might be others as well.
And thank you, Poster, for the compliment. Its a rare occaion I make a post that comes across well, (and is not dripping with sarcasm and letzonus) and getting positive feedback might, just might, encourage future civil exchanges
woo woo! The sarcastic bunch inflames the serious once again! Score: 1-0!
And if for whatever reason its not for women, should they change that for the relatively minor group of single mothers ?
But should they exclude women just to add a few more names of supporting rabonim? If the asifa is so important they should just tell those rabonim to edited.
dash, I just read that there will be live hook ups for women all over. So lets see how many of the women that are complaining will actually go to the hook ups or how many pple just look for what to complain about.
scuttle613 – Let’s say for argument’s sake I agree -what about everything else? You mentioned LH, but there are worse things that go on. Where is the Machoh on everything? And some of these things preceded the invention of the internet & still no Machohs?
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