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What do you think of the banning of iPhones from Rabbi Meir Baal Haness
How about Rav’s Karelitz Psak one need not return a lost iPhone
Do you think think the bans are good or bad?
What if a woman loses her bike?
It’s unfortunate that chareidim or sikrikim or whoever it is thinks they own these places. What’s next? Are they going to try to ban iPhones from the kotel as well? How about ma’arat hamachpela? I thought that these were the types of people who spent all their time learning; if they’re learning, how do they have time to worry about other people’s phones?
There is a built-in Ipad by the kever of the Lubavitcher Rebbe, with an app of chabad.org
I don’t believe that someone paskened that you don’t have to return an iPhone. Please provide source or retract.
truth- Please provide source or retract
Chill. trust me the CR threads do not end up in the Library of congress
The Lubavitcher Rebbe said use technology for good things and there are a lot of Torah apps in the app store like artscroll new gemara which makes learning Eruvin alot easier
“but it was posted on another frum blog”
Not sure about “frum”, I know which site you are referring to.
“It was truly disheartening some of the comments posted.
Some people did not know who Rav Nissim Karelitz is and there was a tremendous lack of kavod “
Yes, although, disheartening is probably too mild. I get irritated by the same sort of shenanigans in the CR as well.
Trutsharer, as jbaldy22 posted:
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=46218&st=&pgnum=335
As jbaldy22 noted, it’s not as simple as posted here.
The whole story on ynet seems a bit unclear. It does not seem from a simple reading of the story that the store owner or the man actually went to rav karelitz’s beis din. Seems to be a very poor piece of journalism.
Why are there two threads for this?
I would just call the police….finishe!
zahavasdad had a case of doublepostitis
If you find a Jew’s unfiltered phone the best thing to do is put a filter on it and then return it. You are doing him a tremendous favor that he can never repay.
Halacha has begun developing in a new way. First, it is publicized on sensationalist anti-frum blogs, say in 2007. The reaction among the mainstream is, eh, you can’t believe everything you read; they’re just trying to stir the pot. Then people begin to acknowledge that yes, it is the practice among more right wing communities, and of course it works for them, but we each have our own rabbonim and my rov said it wouldn’t make sense for someone in the US, in fact it would be a bad idea which would cause more harm than good. Then it becomes something that is admirable, but definitely not a chiyuv. Then, if you don’t keep it, your kids can’t get into school – and it’s your fault; this has been the halacha since 2007.
WIY: Actually, that would be Assur. What right do you have to alter someone’s personal property? You would owe him for whatever the loss of browsing speed cost him.
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So I guess it is better to do as Rav Karelitz paskens and just not return the phone.
I am not familiar with the psak, but if the OP is correct that R’ Karelitz paskens that one “need not” return the phone, that is not the same thing as saying that one “may not” return the phone. Maybe you don’t have to take the initiative to seek out the owner, but if you have the phone and know who it belongs to, why not return it?
I am shocked by this psak. While I respect the rav, it is very surprising that he would not let someone be mekayem vehashev es hagezeilah, a mitzvah dioraisa!! Why can’t we be dan l’kaf zechus for our fellow Jews, and return their iphones, like any other metziah?
Not sure why everyone is getting so excited. most likely this psak was lo haya vlo nivra. wouldn’t be the first such made up psak and as I said earlier rav karelitz disagrees with this supposed “psak” in his own sefer making it much less likely the psak is real.
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