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Have you taken any certified IQ tests? Does IQ matter to you? I have not taken any real IQ tests such as Stanford-Binet, Weschler, CFIT, but I believe that practicing one’s verbal, mathematical and visual-spatial intelligence is very healthy for the brain. I often play chess as a way to stimulate the brain function and my influences are world chess masters like Aron Nimzowitch, Mikhail Botvinnik, Garry Kasparov and David Bronstein.
My results were completely off the charts. They said they’ll need to raise the maximum score to rate me.
Would you be interested in trying other 2-player abstract games?
That was kind of you Litvos 🙂
Joseph is a direct descendant of Yosef ha Tzaddik; he is immune from ayin hara.
When I was in elementary school, they administered IQ tests to all the fifth-eighth graders one year. When they gave us back our test results, they also gave back the average for each grade. My grade had the highest average, bli ayin hora.
I once took a bunch of IQ tests online. I wouldn’t have thought they were particularly legitimate, but the scores all came out relatively similar as well as similar to what I remember my score being in elementary school. I thought that was interesting.
Litvos, I love chess. I think it’s my favorite game.
Ditto. I prefer something I can play against the computer since I have no one to play with me.
I am skeptical of IQ tests as representing general intelligence and as to whether general intelligence even exists.
IN 8 GRADE, I HAD THE HIGHEST IQ OUT OF 120 BOYS. IN 4 YEAR HIGH SCHOOL I GOT MY IQ. 165 THATS GENIUS TERRITORY. I WAS BRILLIANT.
There was a researcher back in the early 1900s that conducted tests on millions of elementary students and made a list of the ones he considered geniuses. His goal was to prove that IQ was the single biggest predictor of success. He then followed them throughout their adult life and kept track of their achievements and successes in life. By his own hand, he wrote that his hypothesis was wrong. At first, if one opened any newspaper and looked at winners of science fairs and contests, there would always be at least one of his “geniuses” on the list. But as life went on, they did not become the biggest successes, and the higher the IQ went didn’t necessarily correlate to an increase in success. A theory proposed by a different researcher, and generally endorsed, said that there is an IQ threshold that is “good enough” and as long as one was above that threshold (which was 120, although it may have been 130), they had an equal chance of winning a Nobel Prize (the example given, and results of the study) as anyone else. So a person with an IQ of 180 had an equal chance of winning a Nobel Prize as one with an IQ of 140.
Benignuman – They are an accurate measure of at least one type of ability – the ability to do well on standardized tests.
FuturePotus: “So a person with an IQ of 180 had an equal chance of winning a Nobel Prize as one with an IQ of 140.”
I think it’s better to have an IQ of 140 than 180. It’s not kidai to be so much smarter than everyone else. And it’s not necessary either (as you pointed out).
There are a lot of qualities that are at least as important as IQ, and having too high an IQ can make it harder to attain those qualities (social skills, emotional balance and wellbeing, etc.)
And what does the ability to do well, or not do well, on a standardized test prove?
Joseph, was Clarivoyant really you?
How do you get into Mensa? Do you need a certain IQ? How high does it have to be? And what is the point of Mensa?
lilmod ulelamaid: I just bought Daniel Goleman’s book called Emotional Intelligence. He outlays a theory like what you’re saying, and says that it’s emotional intelligence (EQ) that determines if people will get ahead in life, not IQ. I haven’t read it yet, so I don’t know the full theory, but I plan to have it finished in a week or two.
FuturePotus – I’ve heard of and seen his book, but I’m not sure if I ever actually read it.
Once when I asked someone about a guy who was redt to me he told me that he’s really, really smart but just enough below genius to still be normal.
Not that geniuses can’t be normal, but it makes sense that it might be harder for them.
In terms of qualities needed to get ahead in life, I often feel like some of the most important ones were missing from my education. They don’t necessarily teach you in school all of the things that you need to know the most. It makes sense that EQ could be more important than IQ. Of course, the best is to have both.
Lilmod………….
Mensa accepts many different tests for qualifications, they need not be IQ tests.
I’ve been a member since I was a junior in high school. Back then a score of 1300 or more on your SATs qualified you for membership.
I didn’t apply, my school sent a list of eligible students…it was a feather in their cap to have qualifying students.
Nowadays, you can qualify with a score of 95th percentile and above on the LSATs. My 3 attorney children were all admitted that way, as well as SIL #2
CTL, have we met at one of the Mensa gatherings?
Joseph…………
Not unless you have attended in Philadelphia (where I attended University) or at Yale in New Haven (my hometown).
CTLawyer -what is the point of being part of Mensa?
Lilmod……..
It is like the National Honor Society or Phi Beta Kappa. It recognizes ability and achievement.
The local chapter in New Haven meets occasionally and sponsors speakers on academic subjects and promotes its members to volunteer as tutors for public school students.
I’m trying to figure out if it’s something I would want to do. What would be the purpose of my being part of it?
“It is like the National Honor Society or Phi Beta Kappa. It recognizes ability and achievement.”
And what is the purpose of that?
“The local chapter in New Haven meets occasionally and sponsors speakers on academic subjects”
I have no interest in that.
“and promotes its members to volunteer as tutors for public school students.”
ditto.
Could I even be a part of it if I live in Israel? (officially, I’m a NJ resident).
If I wanted to be a member, how would I go about it? Can I use my SAT’s scores from 1,000 years ago?
I would have scored a lot better on the IQ tests they administered in grade school, high school and again in university had they asked more questions I knew the answers to.
In my opinion, Mensa is a mishegas wherein people who do well on a type of test get to meet and say we are better than everyone else. It’s primary purpose is the gayva of its members.
I don’t equate high IQ with = very smart, but I don’t think there is ever a downside to being smart. The smarter you are in a given area the better for you in that area. Some people are smart in some areas and not in others. If those people are smart in, for example, math, and not smart in interpersonal relationships, it might give the impression that being too smart is a negative. But in reality it just means that they are not smart enough in areas that matter most.
Lilmod, how can you “officially” be a NJ resident if you’ve lived overseas for years?
Lilmod
You can see qualifications on the Mensa USA website.
SAT scores must be prior to January 1994
You have to be able to get your scores from ETS (Princeton) for submission.
There are branches in many countries including Israal…check Mensa’s .org website
Even if nothing Mensa does interests you, it is a good thing to be able to list on a resume when job seeking.
I would imagine it wouldn’t look so good on a shidduch resume….
It probably would neither help nor hinder for the types of jobs I would be looking for. Actually, it’s more likely to hinder than to help. But it’s good to know about it – you never know when it might come in handy.
Thanks for the info, CTLawyer.
“Lilmod, how can you “officially” be a NJ resident if you’ve lived overseas for years?”
I have a few alter-egos, as you know…..
Based on some points brought above, I think it’s generally better for people not to get tested for IQ. I agree with Daniel Goleman that standard IQ tests are merely a part of a larger whole in which a person’s entire intellectual makeup is encompassed. A person might seem like a genius based on his IQ scores and yet not know how to express or decipher emotions like other humans. There are a lot of different facets to a person’s intelligence that are unaccounted for in conventional IQ tests. A number on a scale, which doesn’t even show the whole picture, may limit a person’s motivation as well as have him constantly compare himself to others. Why would we want to box ourselves into an ordinal category if we’re so much more colorful and multi-dimensioned than it?
People with Asperger’s often have very high IQs.
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