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  • #1950292
    MadeAliyah
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    What we know:

    1. The Iranians are blatant liars and cannot be trusted.(c)
    2. The Iranians are enemies of Israel and the US.(b)
    3. The Iranians have never given up their dream of acquiring nukes and probably never will.(c)
    4. The President lied about not removing sanctions.(a)(d)
    5. This President was the VP of the administration that created the JCPOA.

    Biden supporters, please give us a reason to be optimistic.
    Thank you.

    (a)https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1949926/biden-ready-for-talks-on-iran-deal-rescinds-trumps-restoration-of-sanctions.html#comment-2046414
    (b)https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1946864/death-to-israel-us-uk-iran-marks-1979-islamic-revolution-anniversary.html
    (c)https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/1513317/stunning-mossad-revelation-netanyahu-unveils-10000-iranian-nuclear-files-on-international-tv-full-video.html
    (d)https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1946136/biden-us-wont-lift-sanctions-until-iran-halts-uranium-enrichment.html

    #1950347
    The Shady Charedi
    Participant

    There are no “Biden supporters”, only anti-Trumpers.

    #1950356
    jackk
    Participant

    Be optimistic. Hashem runs the world.

    There are many Biden Supporters. He is doing a terrific job. The right wing media keeps on trying to find anything they can to fault him with. They keep striking out with ridiculous stupidity. They will never give him the credit he deserves. That includes a lot of the Jewish media.

    Just look at how fast he declared The Red State of Texas a Disaster area and sent FEMA to help. No bargaining. No demanding payback. No insults.

    #1950369
    The little I know
    Participant

    jackk:

    Your refusal to recognize the facts is stunning. You should have the necessary intellect, but, alas, your extreme hate for Trump obscures your ability to think rationally.

    There is no moral excuse to re-enter any Iran deal, nor is there any basis to remove or even limit sanctions. All Iran wants to do is to eliminate Israel, and that regime is a dire sworn enemy of US. Biden knows that, if there is any capacity for thought left to him in his dementia. Biden proves to be nothing more than the extension of Obama y”sh, who spent his two terms pacifying the terrorists and condemning Israel. All of Klal Yisroel should be davening for the demise of the entire Biden administration with the same fervor as wishing for the elimination of Amalek and the expunging of the remnants of his name.

    Pardon a few words of Torah. Klal Yisroel experienced many enemies during their history. Mitzrayim, Midian, etc. None of these resulted in a mitzvah to eliminate them and any traces of their memory. Why? A simple explanation is that all of these enemies engaged in battle with the Yidden because they wanted something. Mitzrayim wanted their servitude, others wanted their land. Amalek attacked the Yidden just out of Mitzrayim, not passionate for their wealth, and not for land – as they were nomads in the desert. Amalek only wanted to kill Yidden, even without any personal gain. That is pure evil, and needs to be erased in totality.

    We are once again encountering evil for evil’s sake. That is Iran. That is terror. And we should be taking the lesson of Amalek to seek the speedy erasure of any of these forces that extol terror and support it. And that means to day the regime of Iran and any version of support for it. Yes, I daven three times a day that Iran be eliminated, and included are any of its supporters. Today, this includes Biden and his administration.

    #1950371
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    President Biden realizes that to get something accomplished, we need partners as it cannot be done alone as mitzvos cannot be done alone. Someone must make the tefilin and write the sefer torah. Rebbi Akiva said that loving your fellow man/woman is the utmost theme of the Torah.To arrive to the truth in the torah learning by give and take through questions and answers, laasok bedivrei torah like a business transaction, we need social interaction. We need the help of our allies to fight Iran.

    #1950394
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Reb Eliezer,

    We need the help of our allies to fight Iran.

    What does that have to with making a deal with Iran?

    And what on earth does tefillin have to do with it? Purim Torah?

    #1950396
    MadeAliyah
    Participant

    >Be optimistic. Hashem runs the world.<

    Phew, I was scared Biden would make a mess of the Iran problem, but I was obviously lacking Bitachon. 😉

    >We need the help of our allies to fight Iran.<

    Well said.
    We need to fight, not make ‘deals’ with an anti-West regime.
    Let’s hope Biden understands that.

    #1950407
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Iran has been producing nuclear materials without a deal which was never enforced without our allies. Now the new deal can be renegotiated with the help of our allies.

    #1950421

    >> look at how fast he declared The Red State of Texas a Disaster area

    Not trying to get in the middle of this bull fight, but Gov of Texas thanked Mr Biden “for partial approval” of his disaster request.

    There is a first impression that Biden’s administration is very focused on creating perceptions. Repeated claims of “no vaccines”/”no plans” are unseemly. The federal effort seems to be directed solely to re-distribute does to the desired populations and “no plans” is simply used to justify the take over. First, this will generate ill will and takes focus away from trying to deal with the main problem. If there are any genuinely new ideas how to deal with the pandemic better, I may have missed it.

    #1950424
    MadeAliyah
    Participant

    >Iran has been producing nuclear materials without a deal which was never enforced without our allies.<
    ????

    >Now the new deal can be renegotiated with the help of our allies.<
    I hope Israel is included in ‘our allies’.

    #1950427
    Health
    Participant

    RE -“We need the help of our allies to fight Iran”

    Why do we?
    Because the DemonCrats told you so?!?

    “Rebbi Akiva said that loving your fellow man/woman is the utmost theme of the Torah.”

    That’s False! The Possuk is talking about your Fellow Jew.

    “Iran has been producing nuclear materials without a deal which was never enforced without our allies.”

    Stop lying!
    Just because the US pulled out, the others stayed in.
    Iran had No legal to produce Nuclear Materials!

    What you Libs & others do is – You Don’t ever want to learn from History!
    Appeasement never works.
    You must either Do very Tough Sanctions or Stop them Militarily!

    #1950499
    MadeAliyah
    Participant

    >You must either Do very Tough Sanctions or Stop them Militarily!<

    Both.

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