September 24, 2017 11:45 am at 11:45 am #1368129
Some Gedolei Yisroel held as such.September 24, 2017 1:12 pm at 1:12 pm #1368149Takes2-2tangoParticipant
If the frames are made of indian hair then theres a good chance that it’s ossurSeptember 24, 2017 1:12 pm at 1:12 pm #1368150jakobParticipant
if the household puts it up so he & his children can look at the tzaddik as a role model & hope to learn from his ways then it can be hanging in his home or office
on the other hand if it is a rebba or mekubal etc… that is looked at or viewed/treated like a g-d/avoda zara then it cannot be hanging in his house.
i.e. if you need someone to turn to or depend on then turn to Hashem for help. who is there more of a chance of being answered, Hashem straight or a messenger of HashemSeptember 24, 2017 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #1368339
What if your parents are leaders? Can you hang up pictures of your parents?September 24, 2017 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #1368343
Dont think its avodah zara but it may be
an issur on the lav “Lo Selech b’Derech Hagoyim”
(not sure if that’s the terminology the Torah uses)September 25, 2017 12:56 am at 12:56 am #1368427HaLeiViParticipant
Is hanging a picture of a Hindu Guru Avoda Zara? Is hanging a picture of an Avoda Zara an Issur of Avoda Zara? No. But if you hate Chassidim then obviously, very obviously, anything about them is — you got it — Avoda Zarah.September 25, 2017 4:29 am at 4:29 am #1368450
Actually Chasidishe Gedolim tend to be the most makpid in prohibiting such photography.September 25, 2017 4:37 am at 4:37 am #1368463
Wait, who hates Chassidim?September 25, 2017 4:38 am at 4:38 am #1368466
Is putting a picture of someone on your computer desktop avodah zara?September 25, 2017 10:56 am at 10:56 am #1368609
Joseph, there is no such thing as Chassidishe Gedolim. Chassidim have Rebbeim; not Gedolim
and hanging the picture of a Rebbe or Gadol is very different than hanging just any leaderSeptember 25, 2017 11:07 am at 11:07 am #1368620September 25, 2017 11:40 am at 11:40 am #1368665
chochom: You think every Rebbe’le is on the same level as, say, the Satmar Rebbe, Gerrer Rebbe, Skulener Rebbe, etc.? Of course there are Chasidish Gedolei Yisroel.
And how is hanging a picture of a Godol different than hanging a picture of another leader, insofar as A”Z is concerned?September 25, 2017 12:40 pm at 12:40 pm #1368749
Obviously, the answer is contextual…..if a shul were to post a picture of Trump in the lobby as a sign of respect, there is little likelihood (with the exception of a few resident Trumpkopfs) of such a picture triggering any concerns of avodah zarah. Likewise, the obligatory photo of the Rebbe, TZL, in many chabad homes is no more or less avodah zorah than the guys who run up and down Eastern Parkway with yellow flags singing “Rebbe is Moishiach”. Same, I’m sure for other chassidus where I’ve seen playing cards (like baseball cards) with photos of their rebbe and other rabbonim in that Chassidiseshe Court. Not sure about Litvish practices on photos but just about every Livtvish home has family photos on the wallSeptember 25, 2017 1:25 pm at 1:25 pm #1368777
Is hanging a picture that your child drew Avoda Zora?September 25, 2017 3:02 pm at 3:02 pm #1368847JJ2020Participant
Is having a picture of the late lubavicher rebbe that days yechi hamelech avodah Zara? And having a picture of him in your siddur and gemorah that you look at before learning and davening?
Many big rabbis have pictures of gedolim in their houses. Although as pointed out in another thead I think it’s becoming more the style to have alot less stuff including pictures around.September 25, 2017 3:02 pm at 3:02 pm #1368848JJ2020Participant
Reb yid – if it’s an elephant with six arms.September 25, 2017 3:03 pm at 3:03 pm #1368851
Obviously, it depends on the picture….if the picture was the usual stuff kids draw in school, no problem; if it were to be an image of some goiyeshe god, than probably not a good ideaSeptember 25, 2017 4:37 pm at 4:37 pm #1369157
Problem is, a kid drew it. Hard to know what it’s a picture of.September 25, 2017 7:52 pm at 7:52 pm #1369710
Of course, Rebbeim are gedolei yisroel but they are not referred to as such; that’s what I meant.
And there is definitely a difference between Rebbeim/gedolim and other veltishe leaders
.September 25, 2017 9:27 pm at 9:27 pm #1369720
Chochom: Not every Rebbe’le is from the Gedolei HaDor. That’s all I meant by differentiating between the Chasidishe Gedolei Yisroel and other Rebbes. For example, the Satmar Rebbe zt’l was a Rebbe’s Rebbe.
As far as the difference, sure, but how is it different as far as avoda zora is concerned, which is the topic under discussion here.September 26, 2017 12:21 am at 12:21 am #1369787
Worshipping the picture = yesSeptember 26, 2017 12:27 am at 12:27 am #1369801
statue = no
worshipping the statue = yes
?September 26, 2017 1:16 pm at 1:16 pm #1370121TheFakeMavenParticipant
Joseph: statue might actually be an issur as per the Shulchan Aruch. A picture is a different story since it is not 3D.September 26, 2017 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #1370201DaMosheParticipant
There was a Haggadah that was used in the Vishnitz community in Israel that said when you eat the Matzah, you should picture the Rebbe in your mind and think about him. Is that a problem?September 26, 2017 1:56 pm at 1:56 pm #1370143
What’s your halachic basis for differentiating between a statue of a person and a photograph of a person?September 26, 2017 2:16 pm at 2:16 pm #1370246
Start with a pasuk in the Torah – pesel kol temunah – then work through the sugya.September 26, 2017 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #1370475
I will quote the words of Rambam: (read carefully 3:16)
הלכות עבודה זרה פרק ג
טו אסור לעשות צורות לנואי, ואף על פי שאינן עבודה זרה: שנאמר “לא תעשון, איתי: אלוהי כסף ואלוהי זהב” (שמות כ,יט)–כלומר צורות של כסף ושל זהב שהן לנואי, כדי שלא יטעו בהן הטועים וידמו שהן לעבודה. ואין אסור לצור לנואי, אלא צורת האדם בלבד.
טז לפיכך אין צרין, לא בעץ ולא בסיד ולא באבן, צורת האדם: והוא שתהא הצורה בולטת, כגון הציור והכיור שבטרקלין וכיוצא בהן; ואם צר, לוקה. אבל אם הייתה הצורה מושקעת, או צורה של סמנין כגון הצורות שעל גבי הלוחות והטבליות, או צורות שרוקמין באריג–הרי אלו מותרות.September 27, 2017 11:19 pm at 11:19 pm #1372527
I still don’t see a differentiation between a statue of a man and a photograph of a man in the sugya.September 27, 2017 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #1372538
“What’s your halachic basis for differentiating between a statue of a person and a photograph of a person?” (Joseph)
Isn’t there a GIANT difference between having a 3D image of someone vs. a photograph?
I thought that’s straight from Torah. Am I mistaken?
Thank youSeptember 28, 2017 10:50 am at 10:50 am #1372704
Are you arguing on the Rambam? or you missed the words of the Rambam?
והוא שתהא הצורה בולטת
i.e. sculpture type ONLY – NOT portraits etc.
….אבל אם הייתה הצורה מושקעת, או צורה של סמנין כגון הצורות
.הרי אלו מותרותSeptember 28, 2017 10:50 am at 10:50 am #1372708
worshiping or venerating ANY physical image, representation or whatever is assur so you guys can dance on the head of a pin but the outcome is still the same ….lo taaseh lacha pesel v’chol tamuna……September 28, 2017 12:45 pm at 12:45 pm #1372840
Godal – Agreed. worshiping anything is Asuur (as posted above).
However, there is a separate Issur on sculpturing a full image of a person, sun or moon.
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