November 21, 2021 6:39 pm at 6:39 pm #2031507
I think everyone can remember having homework when they were (or are) in school. But does it help at all? Does the teacher have a right to make you do work after school hours?November 21, 2021 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #2031592ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤParticipant
Well do you do your homework?November 21, 2021 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #2031629
I don’t have. What’s the question?November 21, 2021 10:03 pm at 10:03 pm #2031653Ng76b3cParticipant
No i don’t believe it helps kids in any way
Homework in my opinion should be helping around the house cleaning and cooking like “home work” then all the studies should be done in school or yeshiva not at homeNovember 21, 2021 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #2031665ujmParticipant
My elementary Yeshiva schedule:
P1A-3rd grade: S 9-3, M-T 9-5, F 9-12
4th grade: S 9-4, M-T 9-6, F 9-12
5th grade: S 7:15-4, M-T 7:15-6, F 9-12
6th grade: S 7:15-4, M-W 7:15-6 T 7:15a-8p, F 9-12
7th-8th grade: S 7:15-4, M&W: 7:15-6, T&T 7:15a-8p, F 9-12
ubiquitous: I’m curious what your schedule in Chasan Sofer elementary was.November 21, 2021 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm #2031661AviraDeArahParticipant
The only reason why i give homework is so that my kids shouldn’t think that secular studies is more important than kodesh, since they give homework for the formerNovember 21, 2021 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm #2031707
Hazora is important for all subjects. Material goes away without it, whether kodesh or secular. Where hazora is happening is immaterial. Preferably, hazora is active – not just writing pages of boring material, but discussing, learning how to use material that you learned.
School leacture/homework approach was good when it was needed, but current technology, I think, calls for opposite. Currently, everyone goes to his little school for a lecture, and then reviews on his own. Lectures should be listened online or via recording from best teachers, and then local teachers
should help in active review. That is, you first do homework by listening material and then you go to school to discuss with the teacher. This is happening in some places with large lectures and then small seminars – both in good colleges and probably Talmud time academies (with metargumans).
While we are waiting for this system to come back, parents should make sure that homework is something that activates knowledge rather than repeats the material. Someone from Brisk mentions that his father was asking him questions while walking about anything around – houses, bricks, just to make a kid think actively. Avira probably knows who it was.November 22, 2021 2:24 am at 2:24 am #2031722PunktFakertParticipant
Depends on each kid honestlyNovember 22, 2021 2:25 am at 2:25 am #2031721PunktFakertParticipant
Personally i think it depends on the kid on what he wants to do we as parents have to support the decision they make and not to force them otherwise (as long as its not a bad choice) so until they reach that age (depending on each kid)we need to prepare them with all proper education that is in the school systemNovember 22, 2021 8:23 am at 8:23 am #2031824GadolhadorahParticipant
Most recent educational studies, albeit from secular schools, have failed to show significant performance improvements among students routinely assigned “homework” compared to those in schools that have adopted a “no homework” policy. Not sure these studies are definitive, but they certain raise some important questions as to whether “homework” really is beneficial, and if so, the specific types of home assignments that have the most benefit.November 22, 2021 9:30 am at 9:30 am #2031889Reb EliezerParticipant
Homework reinforces what was taught in class by testing its comprehension and requiring one’s own thinking.November 22, 2021 10:50 am at 10:50 am #2031912ujmParticipant
The Woke crowd wants to eliminate testing, too, since blacks do poorly on them.November 22, 2021 10:56 am at 10:56 am #2031995The little I knowParticipant
I can’t speak to the research, as I have not reviewed it. But I can opine on the saichel of giving homework. A big tachlis is that it unites the school and home environments. The parents and hanhala doing the teaching need to be partners in raising the child. Each has important roles, and the more successful the partnership is, the better the product.
My opinion is that the material taught is only a vehicle to transmit the values of Torah and mitzvos. The ability to “spit back” the material that was ingested is reflective of memory skills, which is only one of many skills needed to grow into an adult ben Torah and Yirai Shomayim. The seforim on the mitzvah of Talmud Torah do extol the virtues of yediyas haTorah, but it is secondary to Ahavas haTorah. The latter promotes devaikus, the former is apt to be limited to downloaded data unless it is paired with Ahavas haTorah.November 22, 2021 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm #2032045n0mesorahParticipant
…..teacher have the right….
When it comes to the purely academic part of teaching, the teachers are the singular cause for their own rights. If what and when and how they teach is subject to some common agreement, they would not be teaching. Training, sounds like the correct term. Or maybe imparting knowledge.November 22, 2021 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm #2032047n0mesorahParticipant
Dear The Little,
I agree with you on that homework is mostly about letting the parents see what is going on in school. It is not all that different than pre-schoolers brining home their projects.November 22, 2021 4:06 pm at 4:06 pm #2032241shlucha22Participant
I think there should be a small amount of homework if there is more than a day between each time you have the subject so the kid remembers it, or if they didn’t finish what they were meant to do in school.November 22, 2021 6:05 pm at 6:05 pm #2032298
Today’s WSJ has an op-ed bya Chinese guy. He says his kid is shocked by the lack of both work and homework in American schools.
One down side of the homework is that it sucks parents into devoting time encouraging/ pleading/ monitoring doing homework instead of influencing their kids directly. So, parents become teaching assistants, enjoyment is taken out of learning. I got sucked in early into thst, took me some time to realize. try to see what the kid is not learning rather than what he does, and try to enrich him with that.November 22, 2021 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm #2032338
School is school. Home is home. If the teachers want work done, they should make it get done in school. When kids come home, they want time to relax and do other stuff.November 22, 2021 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm #2032505
TSBaum> School is school. Home is home. If the teachers want work done, …
You hired a teacher to help you fulfill the mitzva of chinuch. If you feel like you outsourced it completely, why don’t you also outsource pru u’rvu to the school. You’ll have even more time ” to relax and do other stuff.”November 23, 2021 6:34 am at 6:34 am #2032523Shimon NodelParticipant
Homework is destructiveNovember 23, 2021 6:43 am at 6:43 am #2032537Amil ZolaParticipant
I went to public schools and I agree with AAQs original premise. I read a lot from the Imas complaining about homework. I have no input as todays Jewish schools handle it. When I was in school my HW from Jr High to HS was read and be able to discuss the stuff in class or perform the math functions. I had integrated core classes so science, maths, foreign language and latin, chem, lit and history all integrated different facets of other curriculum.November 23, 2021 8:05 am at 8:05 am #2032614
AAQ, it’s more like paying tuition for your kids to go to school. And it’s important for kids to go to school. But is it important to do schoolwork after school?November 23, 2021 12:13 pm at 12:13 pm #2032693DovidBTParticipant
Does homework teach children how to learn by their own efforts, which is a skill they will need when they’re adults and no longer in school?November 23, 2021 1:52 pm at 1:52 pm #2032793
TABaum, make a list of things you want your kids to know, be able to do AND want to do it when you are not there. Check off items that you think school is helping with (verify, do not assume). Then, work on the rest at home.November 23, 2021 6:14 pm at 6:14 pm #2032942
That’s not the topic of this thread. I want to hear people’s opinions on whether it is important.November 23, 2021 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #2032994bored_teen 💕Participant
The only reason there should be homework is if a student didn’t finish their class work or studying for a test. High school girls for an example, finish at 5:00 (at least in my city) and then have 1 1/2 or so of homework! How is a girl supposed to help at home, have a social life and get to sleep at a reasonable time if she ends so late and has so much work?!?! For younger ages- the parents are the ones doing the homework anyway!November 23, 2021 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #2033000bored_teen 💕Participant
TS Baum- 👏👏👏
The little I know- It would be totally inappropriate for a parent to send a toothbrush to school with their kid and ask the teacher to brush their teeth after meals it’s also inappropriate for teachers to send home work that they are payed to teach. Yes, there does need to be a partnership in the sense that parents should care about and participate in school things but I think homework is going too far.November 24, 2021 10:11 am at 10:11 am #2033237
Are you getting pen/paper homework? I suggest using online systems for homework in secular subjects. There are a lot of tools that can help you. This may require a conversation with the teacher to reduce other hw load.
With online, you can see performance, you can see how kids stand against general standards v. possible low standards at your school, he can move forward if he is doing good instead of being bored. You need to experiment to see what works for your kid – some are ok with repeated exercises, some like prize notes, some – going ahead with new material. Some sites charge ~ $10/month, or less if you come as a group or a class, and are worth it. Some notable ones – Khan avademy, Beast academy (more interactive), IXL (evaluation tests, more academic)November 24, 2021 10:20 am at 10:20 am #2033262🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
Online classes is a very poor substitute for being taught by humans. Stats are skewed because there is no way to keep data on how many correct responses were anything more than random clicks. Most kids don’t learn 2 dimensionally and online learning enforces development of some negative skills while deterring development of some needed ones.November 24, 2021 12:15 pm at 12:15 pm #2033297The little I knowParticipant
Just as the requisite partnership can have its advantages, it can be misused. Your example of the toothbrush is appropriate. I have heard of rebbeiim and teachers expecting a parent to punish a child for misbehavion in school. Whether this extends to homework is debatable. Personally, I agree that homework should be minimal, and often zero.November 24, 2021 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm #2033413lakewhutParticipant
The amount of homework and tests that schools pressure students to go through is overkill. It doesn’t help most kids for the real world.November 24, 2021 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #2033436
Syag > Online classes is a very poor substitute for being taught by humans.
I am not suggestion a substitute. I am suggesting an enrichment. There is a lot that can be done online that is hard to do offline, especially in our schools where focus/spending is on other subjects. And, of course, you can do online badly, same way as you can do in person …
Correct answers due to random clicks are easy to see. If a multiple choice has 4 choices, 25% will be totally random. So, anything above that is an achievement 🙂
With my kids, where we do more online, we do not leave everything to computers. We have discussions all the time, kids with me and often with each other. Younger kids needle the older ones when they happen to learn a similar material. At more mature college level, the kids are saying that they have more control when listening to online lectures – they can skip or repeat as needed, and they don’t need to dress up and walk just to sit and wait until everyone comes in and have a small talk …November 24, 2021 4:29 pm at 4:29 pm #2033441🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
” and they don’t need to dress up and walk just to sit and wait until everyone comes in and have a small talk ”
you have a very sad view of what goes on in the schools (shuls, communities). Is this just a hundred bad luck incidents you have had or is it your perspective? If this is your vision of school and why online is better, or that school is all about “teaching girls chumras and telling your mom she’s wrong” then I would implore you to find some other communities out there, or at least come to terms with the fact that your experiences are really poor examples of what’s out there.
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