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March 1, 2022 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #2065338bored_teen 💕Participant
Did the Science change or does Biden need an “accomplishment” to talk about by the SOTU?
March 1, 2022 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #2065358☕️coffee addictParticipantIsn’t that the point of the SOTU?
March 1, 2022 10:54 pm at 10:54 pm #2065363Sam KleinParticipantThere’s no such a thing as coincidence
And everything the happens in the world has a direct wake up call message from Hashem talking to his loving children klal yisroel.
From the terrible coronavirus pandemic Mageifa calling out exactly what the word means KARA NA AVEIROS call out to your aveiros klal yisroel to wake up and do Teshuva. To many other direct messages from Hashem
To the year of 1948 in the Jewish calendar which was the year Avraham Avinu was born and was the starter of the Jewish nation bringing people to yiddishkeit and being exactly the same as 1948 in the English calendar when Israel became a State of independence. Do you think these direct wake up call messages from Hashem are just coincidence?
There’s many other messages but too long to post now if you want more messages let me know
March 1, 2022 10:54 pm at 10:54 pm #2065370Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantI think he just called all of us mental … “Let get all Americans the mental help they need”
March 1, 2022 10:56 pm at 10:56 pm #2065362Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantteen, he moved SOTU to a later date – until Omicron decreases (like Adar 2 because spring is not here yet). He said that he will shut down the virus by July, he just did not say which year
March 2, 2022 12:08 am at 12:08 am #2065394Amil ZolaParticipantI don’t know if you’ve ever had a comprehensive class covering the Constitution. SOTU is covered under the Constitution, Article II section 3 clause 1. After reading, I hope you will reach some clarity as to why and what it covers. I’ve listened to SOTUs from Ike to the present. They are are all different and reflect current issues that are/were contemporaneous to the times they were delivered.
March 2, 2022 12:35 am at 12:35 am #2065404Reb EliezerParticipantI was born in 1948 (5748) but we don’t compare goyish dates with Jewish dates.
March 2, 2022 12:36 am at 12:36 am #2065406Reb EliezerParticipantWhen you compare a goyish date with a jewish date, you compare apples and oranges.
March 2, 2022 1:03 am at 1:03 am #2065443Sam KleinParticipantReb Eliezer
Do you this this message directly from Hashem from thousands of years ago is just coincidence or will you admit to Hashem and accept Hashems wake up call?
Message:
The wise king Shlomo Hamelech (Solomon) relates in Koheles (Proverbs), there is a time & place for everything & then lists over 25 instances, from a time to be born to a time to die & then from a time to be rich & vice versa etc…. he then continues & reaches the passuk relating the instance “for a time of Calamity comes to them all”. Do you know which Pasuk this is in Koheles? It is the Passuk of 9-11 (the 9th Chapter & 11th sentence), relating to Tisha B’av. The day set aside by Hashem to be a day of mourning. Is this coincidence? Is this not shocking? Look at the list of so many calamities & tragedies that has occurred in the past relating to 9-11. (from the ones which I have already mentioned to some which I may mention soon) How many thousands of years ago was the book of Koheles written? Who made it come out to be this Passuk of 9-11? was it Shlomo Hamelech or was it Hashem? This is another message from Hashem for us to stop our way of life we are living in today’s generation….-Which we think is perfect & Sinless-immediately & start doing Teshuva.March 2, 2022 10:26 am at 10:26 am #2065510Reb EliezerParticipant1948 should be 5708 always 3760 more.
March 2, 2022 10:27 am at 10:27 am #2065522Reb EliezerParticipantKoheles is not Proverbs (Mishlei) but Ecclesiastes and I like 9-12 better which explains it clearer and where does it say it refers to Tisha B’av and 9-11 was not Tisha B’av but Selichos. It is an issur to make any references from goyishe months and it was not 9-11 but 13 days after it as Pope Gregory removed 13 says discussed below, so we start Vesain Tal Umotor, Dec 4th or 5th rather than 60 days after the tekufa.
The reason we must adjust the Tekufas Tishri by 13 days because Pope Gregory in 1582 created a Gregorian calendar over Julian Caesar’s calendar because he adjusted the calendar by 10 days. The other days difference had to do wiith a leap year for a complete century. This should be a leap year since years divisible by 4 should be a leap year. The complete century is a hundred years. He changed it that only if is divisible by 400 will be a leap year. The years 1600 and 2000 were ok; The years 1700, 1800 and 1900 were not leap years any more. This makes the differende of another 3 days for a total of 13 days.
March 2, 2022 10:28 am at 10:28 am #2065531Reb EliezerParticipantUkraine is a wake up call for the Jews. Say Tehilim 83.
March 2, 2022 10:29 am at 10:29 am #2065537Reb EliezerParticipantSam Klein, 9-11 was a wakeup call at the time of selichos but don’t make up things that are not true. It has nothing to do with Tisha B’av, if for the fact that it happened being in galus,
March 2, 2022 10:30 am at 10:30 am #2065533GadolhadorahParticipantAssuming we stipulate that “everything that happens in the world is controlled by Hashem” and there is no such thing as a “natural disaster” (which should correctly be viewed as a “wake-up” call from hashem, etc. etc.) than it would seem that the large percentage of posts here in the CR are borderline apikorsus since we are questioning the Ebeshter’s judgement as to what should happen, to whom and when. Instead, the only appropriate subject matter would be what type of tshuvah would have the greatest efficacy in mitigating or eliminating these otherwise pre-ordained outcomes.
March 2, 2022 11:11 am at 11:11 am #2065568Reb EliezerParticipantSam Klein, if you want something worthwhile, look at the Yabia Omer (8,37) at the end from Rav Ovadya Yosef ztz’l, where he explains how in the mishna Sheviis (9,1) הפיגם, hapigam looking at its reverse we find מגיפה, plague, as interpreted by the Tiferes Yisrael is a red cabbage, might be a segula for COVID-19.
March 2, 2022 1:03 pm at 1:03 pm #2065603nishtdayngesheftParticipantDorah,
If you want to know which statement is borderline apikorsus, it is this one “Assuming we stipulate that “everything that happens in the world is controlled by Hashem”:.
Writing this as “assuming” is at a minimum borderline apikorsus, if not the full blown version.
March 2, 2022 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm #2065616GadolhadorahParticipantReb E: Not only are you a real talmid chacham, but you are right on with regard to pointing us to the health benefits of red cabbage (aside from the segulah). There are multiple nutritional studies showing that red/purple cabbage is very high in anti-oxidants and has incredible benefits in terms of immune system support and anti-inflammatory properties. One of the lessons of the past two years should be a renewed focus on the role of nutrition in immune system support.
March 2, 2022 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #2065642Reb EliezerParticipantWhen fighting cancer l’a there are two ways to fight it, chemotherapy and immunotherapy. Destroying it or to build up the body’s immuno-system to be able to fight it. The second strengthens the body and the first weakens the body, so the second is better.
March 2, 2022 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm #2065648Reb EliezerParticipantnishtdayngesheft, it says עולם כמנהגו נוהג where Hashem gave over the daily functioning to science and nature but certain things can override it. Look at the end of Maseches Shabbos on the argument if we go by the horoscope, mazel by the Jews. The one whose view is we don’t follow the mazel is because tefila, mitzvos and maasim tovim can override it. So assuming is not an apikorsus. The Magen Avraham says not to make kiddush from 6:00 to 7:00 as when Saturn (shabsai) rules over.
The Ramban explains that living in Ch’L is like worshipping a’z. There are 70 nations where each is ruled by a malach who is known as elohim. Hashem, who picked EY is known as Elokei Haelohim. Therefore, there is a tendency to worship a’z in Ch’L thinking that they are in control but they can be overridden as above.March 2, 2022 9:14 pm at 9:14 pm #2065749Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantanother SOTU puzzle – why did someone invite Ukrainian ambassador? President said that we are going to watch the war and defend NATO territory only. It made more sense to invite Polish or Latvian ambassador instead of insulting the poor lady and make her thank us for closing our airspace to Russians instead of hers.
L’tzad shut, President did not know that she is there or did not know that these lines would be in the SOTU. He is too much a mench to behave like that. He did not invite former Afghanistan President, for example.
March 3, 2022 2:27 am at 2:27 am #2065772Sam KleinParticipantReb Eliezer
I think your a little confused and misunderstood the message that was written that was sent tragically directly from Hashem down to this world.
Let me help you understand the message more clearly and then maybe you will start to openly see the hand of Hashem in every situation-including the Russian Ukraine war happening now that happens in life.
You replied that the tragedy of September 11 where thousands of lives were lost was not Tisha B’av
Below is the direct message from Hashem that was sent down to wake up klal yisroel in the midst of the tragedy over 20 years ago on September 11 2001
The Shocking Message:
Do you know that 9/11 is our sad day for over 2000 years? Tisha B’av is 9/11 Tisha means 9 and Av is the 11th months of the year while Elul is the 12th month & Tishrei is the 1st month of the new year , how does that grab you? How does that shock you? Yes The date of the September 11 Tragedy when read in Hebrew is actually Tisha B’av. what about the emergency phone number 911? that’s also Tisha B’av. that’s Americas emergency number for a minimum of 50 to 100 years, why didn’t they pick 111? Wouldn’t that have been a better number? are you going to tell me cause a baby might press 111 by mistake? These 2 tragedies-above-were only hint’s to tisha b’av, but it wasn’t enough to bring klal yisroel to start doing teshuva. So what happened ON tisha b’av 2005, i.e. no more hints to tisha b’av? Gush Katif/the Gaza Disengagement, it was supposed to happen on tisha b’av but they waited until Motzei tisha b’av, they did not even wait till the next morning, which means it was still tisha b’av in Chutz La’aretz (diaspora). Now let me ask you something, are these 3 tragedies-relating to tisha b’av-coincidence or is it a straight message from Hashem that its time for klal yisroel to wake up & do Teshuva? You think about it, this is not between people, this is between each person & Hashem.
May we all wake up from denial and face reality ASAP before Hashem has to C”V send us anymore horrific wake up calls as we are in the midst of 2 big ones R”L (the coronavirus pandemic Mageifa and the Russian Ukraine war, these are no coincidence)
March 3, 2022 9:17 am at 9:17 am #2065861Reb EliezerParticipantAs mentioned above the date by us is not 9-11 but 9, 11 plus 13 = 23 inclusive as described above. The proof is from Vesain Tal Umotor said on Dec 4th and not November 22nd.
March 3, 2022 9:47 am at 9:47 am #2065888Reb EliezerParticipantSam Klein, for being in CH’L and anti-semitism, look at the Meshech Chachmah in Parshas Bechukosai on Veaf Gam Zos.
March 3, 2022 9:52 am at 9:52 am #2065896Reb EliezerParticipantSam Klein, Av is not the 11th month anywhere in the Torah as we count months from Nissan. This whole pshat is forced. It reminds me of the Midas muffler commercial, ‘we will make it fit’.
March 3, 2022 10:34 am at 10:34 am #2065902Reb EliezerParticipantSam Klein, I think that 9-11 was more a reminder of believing in our financial superiority, the tower of Babel. It happened at the time of selichos to remind us to do teshuva. Some people got saved as they went to work late.
March 3, 2022 1:32 pm at 1:32 pm #2065915Reb EliezerParticipantThe ills of money and wealth is described by the Akeidas Yitzchak on lo yihye lecha in the Aseres Hadibros. These are his words as translated by me. It includes the great idol worship which is found in this world, a great find which is a cure for all concerns and deeds to collect wealth and success of investments which is their great god that they rely on their belief. They trust its holy name and deny the G-d above, forsake his Torah, leave it an aguna, and being ashamed in the corner. This is the main theme of a’z.
March 3, 2022 1:34 pm at 1:34 pm #2065931Sam KleinParticipantReb Eliezer
Thank you for showing Hashem that your not ready to accept his direct wake up call for serious Teshuva when it’s staring at us right in our faces in so many messages all relating to klal yisroel saddest day in history of Tisha B’av for thousands of years already. And this is the main reason why we are still in golus today because we are not ready to admit to Hashem that we-myself included-are guilty of living in denial and not facing reality when it’s staring at us right in front of our eyes. (A physical example is no doctor or therapist can help anyone if the patient is not ready to listen to the doctors advice and take the medicine prescribed for his sickness to be cured)
THE WAKE UP MESSAGE FROM HASHEM IS STARING AT US
TISHA B’AV=THE saddest day of the year in klal yisroel for thousands of years with tons of tragedies happening on that day R”L to wake us up and bring us to Teshuva. Nothing is just coincidence
Tisha in English=9
B”Av is the 11 month of the year from how we follow for the last thousands of years starting from Rosh Hashanah as Tishrei as the first month. Cause if we would all go from Nissan then Hashem would have made it Happen 9/11 from Nissan to wake klal yisroel up to return with Serious TeshuvaMay we all start to wake up and face reality ASAP before anything gets worse C”V what are we waiting for.
March 3, 2022 1:36 pm at 1:36 pm #2065935Reb EliezerParticipantSomething that cannot be a coincidence from Sefer Shevil Rakia for people liking gematrios,
החדש הזה לכם ראש חדשים ראשון הוה לכם לחדשי השנה hints on the time from one molad to the next
כמה תשעה ועשרים יום ומחצה ותשצ’ג חלקים, how much 29 1/2 days and 793 chalakim where a chelek is 1/1080
of an hour, around 3/4 of an hour, 45 min, both adding up to 2658.March 3, 2022 2:23 pm at 2:23 pm #2065932Sam KleinParticipantToday’s tragic wake up call message sent directly from Hashem upstairs to klal yisroel that was no coincidence.
Message:
During the month of june 2011-over the time of 2 weeks-3 tzaddikim, from 3 different corners of the world left to the Olam Haemes (true world) & they’re names were Harav Yitzchok Dov Koppelman ZT”L from Europe, Harav Michel Yehuda Lefkowitz ZT”L from Eretz Yisroel & Harav Chaim Stein ZT”L from the U.S.A. When a tragedy like this strikes the world everyone is asking what is the message from Hashem?. The RAMCHAL in Sefer Derech Hashem quotes, when klal yisroel is in a state of Sinning R”L, suffering & pain may be imposed upon a tzaddik as an atonement for his entire generation. In doing so the Tzaddik is raised to a level of leadership in Gan eden. When THREE tzaddikim are niftar in a matter of two weeks, Hashem is already on the level of begging klal yisroel to just start תשובה & show a sign of remorse & repentance so that it does not need to continue Chas V’shalom on to a fourth tzaddik. Then These 3 Tzaddikim (above) were not enough. so this time Hashem sent a DIFFERENT KIND of tzaddik-a boy at the age of 8 R”L who has not sinned yet-to wake us all up to come to תשובה & STOP KEEP ON PUSHING IT OFF. This tragic event-of Leiby Kletzky- brought Achdus (unity) to klal yisroel but it was not enough to bring klal yisroel to confess & start doing תשובה so Hashem took 3 more tzaddikim away to the olam Haemes to wake us up to teshuva- Rabbi Dunner from England, The spinka rebbe of Yerushalyim at the early age of 79 & the next day the Baba Sali’s grandson Rav Elazar Abuchatzeirah was Stabbed to Death by another yid-just like Leiby Kletzky was killed by another yid & american yidden think Israel’s tragic wake-up calls don’t apply to them & the same with Israel not seeing American wake-up calls from Hashem- that makes 7 Tzaddikim niftar in a matter of 5 weeks. will this be enough or will it need to continue? that is up to all of us if we are ready to start doing serious Teshuva.
What is your opinion to this tragic wake up call sent directly from Hashem? Do you think this was all just coincidence besides for the major tragedy and loss to klal yisroel and all of klal yisroel shaking?
March 3, 2022 2:24 pm at 2:24 pm #2066002Reb EliezerParticipantIf you see a wake up call according to your calculations, so be it as long as you wake up but don’t force others to recognize it when they have other correct means to achieve the same results.
March 3, 2022 2:24 pm at 2:24 pm #2066007Reb EliezerParticipantSam Klein, you are violating the pasuk above to start to count from Nissan and not from Tishri as we find all over the Torah. It is an issur to count months by numbers not from Nissan. If not counting from Nissan, the months should not be referred to through numbers. Your comments above are disrespectful when I don’t make up incorrect things to suit myself. Stop being a preacher when others know about teshuva just as much as you do.
March 3, 2022 2:25 pm at 2:25 pm #2066012Reb EliezerParticipantEveryone agrees that the physical creation of Adam Harishon was done Rosh Hashana so we start to account for our sins then but the months are counted from Nissan.
March 3, 2022 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #2066019Reb EliezerParticipantWhen tzadikim pass on it is a wake up call as we are not worthy to be in their company and by comparison get hurt by them as we see by Chanoch who was taken away early.
March 3, 2022 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #2066037GadolhadorahParticipantSam Klein: You are increasingly sounding like a really bad virtual version of the goyishe preachers downtown standing at the street corners screaming at passersby “Repent!! The world is ending
I’m not sure that anyone here in the CR needs, or is interested in, your visions of the the apocalypse and your constant stream of self-styled nevius linked to global events and and the petirah of various geriatric rabbonim. More importantly, perhaps do some self-reflective musar and tshvuah before lecturing others. Otherwise, you’ll have the same credibility as a yiddeshe version of Elmer Gantry
March 3, 2022 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #2066060Reb EliezerParticipantSam Klein, generations change, they pass their baton to the next generation as it says in Koheles
דור הולך ודור בא as pointed out eloquently by GH all gedolim above were around a hundred in age. No one should pass on any younger. It says שוב יום אחד לפני מותך repent a day before your last day. I once heard an explanation what would a person do if one knew that this is one’s last day that was returned by getting a reprieve? So one should see every day as such.March 4, 2022 8:09 am at 8:09 am #2066140Sam KleinParticipantSam Klein
Wow these messages are really shocking. Im still trying to take them in as i never before read or heard such direct messages from Hashem for our generation today. Of course I wish these tragedies would have never been necessary for Hashem to send to klal yisroel to bring us to return to Hashem together.
You should write a Sefer of all these shocking messages so it’s never forgotten and saved for others in future generations but i agree with you that hopefully these shocking messages won’t apply to future generations due to the doing of serious teshuva of the entire klal yisroel together and the coming of Mashiach bkarov.
March 6, 2022 8:31 am at 8:31 am #2066447Sam KleinParticipantToday’s tragic wake up call message sent directly from Hashem upstairs to klal yisroel that was no coincidence.
Message:
Every Country has a meaning & a destiny to its name when its read in Hebrew. Yisroel reads “Yashar & El” & its meaning of Klal yisroel is telling us that Hashem made the Jews to be his chosen nation & to go in the right ways of Hashem & his Torah. Libya Reads “Lev-Ka” the heart of Hashem & the country being sent to do Hashem will (rather it looks bad or good). Syria reads “Sar-Ka” the Angel of Hashem & being sent as another country (middleman agent) to do whatever Hashem send it to do. Mitzrayim (Egypt) reads “Metzar-Yam” from the pains of the sea, Mitzrayim did not start to be called by that name only after the miracle of the Dead sea splitting & the Egyptians drowning… it was already called that from hundreds of years before (the first time it says it in the Torah is when Avraham Avinu went down to Mitzrayim to get food during a hunger). The country of Russia means “Wicked” & was chosen by Hashem with its name to be the most wicked country for many centuries (from Czar Russia to Communist Russia etc…) & not letting anyone do anything with their lives but feel like prisoners. Europe reads “Yireh-Pe” the Fear of talking, for many centuries the entire Europe was under pure fear of the government talking & not knowing what was going to happen the next hour or day… Iraq reads “ie-rak” meaning Hashem only, & being a country sent by Hashem as an agent to remind everyone that everything comes through Hashem & everyone else is agents. The same thing is read for America reading “amar-ika” meaning this is what is said-by Hashem-& everything that happens is a decree straight from Hashem (like Iraq above)
Do you think the names of every country listed above are just coincidence? Who decided on the names of these countries? We all know that there’s no such a thing as coincidence and this entire message came directly from Hashem hundreds of years ago when the countries started the names weren’t just made up and your not going to find this direct wake up message from Hashem in any sefer in the world or hear it from any Gadol Hador speaking or written in any newspaper and neither does it come from me a YWN coffee room member and businessman. The only answer is that it comes straight from Hashem in Heaven
May we all start doing serious Teshuva very soon so Mashiach can come already
March 6, 2022 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm #2066591ubiquitinParticipantSK
“Who decided on the names of these countries?”
You did. some you chose to use their English names (Russia, Libya) some you chose Hebrew names (Mitzrayim)
some not sure what you are using, In what language is Europe “yireh pe”? I guess yiddish is close but that isnt English nor Hebrew.
I’m all for good Purim Torah, andthe above is pretty harmless, made me smile
however this part of your Purim Torah:
“B”Av is the 11 month of the year from how we follow for the last thousands of years starting from Rosh Hashanah as Tishrei as the first month.”
Is probably a bitul mitzvas aseh according to the Ramban. Although there are heterim to use other months or names etc, if you are activly assigning a new numbering system to Jewish months that seems to be an active bitul aseh
March 6, 2022 2:17 pm at 2:17 pm #2066610Reb EliezerParticipantSam Klein, show me one place in Tenach where the months are counted from Tishri.
March 6, 2022 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #2066613Sam KleinParticipantToday’s generation and for the last thousands of years we change the year number to a new year in Tishrei with the new Year starting and counting Rosh Hashanah as the start of the new year and the day of Teshuva Yom Kippur-the holiest day of the year that is set aside for a day of Teshuva and personal repentance between each man and Hashem privately-versus now Hashem waiting for public national and serious Teshuva and Achdus together like we all did in the story of Purim. No one in today’s generation and already for thousands of years says on Rosh Chodesh Nissan that today were starting a new year and changing the year number. Actually that was already done 6 months ago on Rosh Hashanah.
May we all wake up and admit to Hashem that we accept his wake up calls for Teshuva instead of looking for excuses and reasons for a way out and then we wonder why we’re still in Golus today living in a time of non stop Horrific tragedies R”L
It’s very sad that we have stooped to such a low level and then at the same time we still want and expect Mashiach to come one day.
Question:
What Hishtadlus exactly are we all doing together as a nation in today’s generation to be deserving of the coming of Mashiach bkarov? and to help bring Mashiach sooner what are we doing together as one loving nation?March 6, 2022 11:07 pm at 11:07 pm #2066725Reb EliezerParticipantSam Klein, the world was created the 25th of Elul and Adam Harishon was created the sixth day of creation, Rosh Hashanah and the Torah calls it the seventh month the first day, Bamidmar 29,1 in Parashas Pinchas we designate the new year from then. The Torah does not call it the first month.
March 7, 2022 12:06 am at 12:06 am #2066730Reb EliezerParticipantSo, Av is the 5th month and not the 11th month. We start counting months from Nissan and not from Tishri whereas Jewish years are counted from Tishri and not from Nissan.
March 7, 2022 8:18 am at 8:18 am #2066750Sam KleinParticipantReb Eliezer
You just wrote above
“.We start counting months from Nissan and not from Tishri whereas Jewish years are counted from Tishri and not from Nissan”Thus you just contradicted yourself and now you changed your mind and admitted to Hashem that yes we do count Jewish years from Tishrei and that’s when it becomes a new year.
Want to explain yourself or just confess to Hashem for all Hashems direct shocking wake up calls sent down straight to klal yisroel to prevent future tragic wake up calls from being needed ahead if we would just stop living in denial and start facing reality already
March 7, 2022 11:59 am at 11:59 am #2066888ubiquitinParticipant“What Hishtadlus exactly are we all doing together as a nation in today’s generation to be deserving of the coming of Mashiach bkarov? ”
I am teaching Torah to yidden. specifically the correct numbering of Jewish months.
March 7, 2022 11:59 am at 11:59 am #2066879ubiquitinParticipantSK
“Today’s generation and for the last thousands of years we change the year number to a new year in Tishrei with the new Year starting and counting Rosh Hashanah as the start of the new year ”
Incorrect you are mixing up two things
The year starts w/ Tishrei (for most things) Yet Tishrei is still the Seventh month.
Tishrei is called the Seventh month even though it is the first month. In the torah the months don;t have names. Much like days of the week We use sunday Monday etc. In Hebrew today the months don;t have names just yom rishon/Day one yom shieni Day two etc Except for shabbos.
with me?
so Biblical months
wha twe call tishrei is chodehs hahshivii the Seventh month. This was and remains the name of the month. Even if the New year begins in tishrei, it still begins with chodesh Hasivii the seventh month(Lehavdil September is the ninth month even though it is called seven/sept – lehavdil not a perfect comparison don;t get caught up on it.)
bottom line is Av is never called 11, it MIGHT even be a bitul aseh to do so.
March 7, 2022 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm #2066830Reb EliezerParticipantSam Klein, whether you like it or not, 9-11 does not reflect Tisha B’av as Av is not the 11th month, period. Saying that you are violating that months are counted from Nissan. Look at Jermiah (52, 12) describing Tisha B’av referring to it as the fifth month the tenth day. Rabbi Yochanan says that if he would have been there, he would have dsignated the tenth day but by us the beginning of punishment is more painful. The Chasam Sofer explains that even though most of the Beis Hamikdash burned on the tenth but when they started on the ninth to apply fire to it, was a kodeshdige bayis but once fire caught on, a chukindige bayis burned.
March 7, 2022 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm #2066833☕️coffee addictParticipantIn defense of Sam
The Gemara in Rosh Hashanah says that Tishrei is Rosh Hashanah for non Jewish kings so when referring to a Jewish king reign it would be the 11th month
March 7, 2022 12:38 pm at 12:38 pm #2066837Reb EliezerParticipantA new year by the Jews starts by the 7th month and not after the 12th month. It is like lehavdil by the goyim a fiscal year starts from July and not January. So, even though the months are counted from Nissan, the years are counted from Tishri, no contradiction.
March 7, 2022 1:29 pm at 1:29 pm #2066926Reb EliezerParticipantFor the Jews there is a difference between the first month of the year is Tishri and the first month is Nissan as lehavedil there is difference between the first month of the fiscal year and the first month of the year.
March 7, 2022 2:50 pm at 2:50 pm #2066964ubiquitinParticipantSam
another example
The school year starts in September (lets say September 1) . Nonetheless on the first day of school the teacher writes on the Board 9/1. Throughout the first month pf school the months is labeled “9” the second month is “10”. The teacher doesn’t say well its the first month of school so lets call the date 1/1 then label October 2/ etcLehavdil the first month of the Jewish year is chodesh hashvii. We don’t change its name to “1”
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