August 13, 2015 2:37 am at 2:37 am #616208
i’m hearing both sides: one side is that theres something called blurrios which the mission berurah says is assur. the other side is that a lot of yeshiva bachurim have them.August 13, 2015 2:47 am at 2:47 am #1096580JosephParticipant
Are you asking about a “chup”?August 13, 2015 3:11 am at 3:11 am #1096582
no chupAugust 13, 2015 8:34 am at 8:34 am #1096584Abba_SParticipant
Are you talking about it being a Chatziizah when wearing Tefilin or is it just the hair style and you are going in the way of the gentiles?August 13, 2015 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm #1096587
i guess in the way of the gentiles but just brushed to the sideAugust 13, 2015 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #1096588mik5Participant
There are numerous poskim [e.g., because one will look like a goy (in addition, it is forbidden for a man to have long hair because it makes him look like a woman)].
See RAMBAM HILCHOT AVODA ZARA, CH 11:1. SEE ALSO
SHULCHAN ARUCH YORE DEAH, SIMAN 178.
Even if a person wears Jewish clothing, if his hair is long he transgresses a prohibition of the Torah (!) (SHEELOT UTSHUVOT DIVRE CHAYIM 1, YORE DEAH, SIMAN
The Pri Megadim 27, the Chasam Sofer, the Machatzis Hashekel (27:4), the Kitzur S”A (10:6), the Mishna Berura 27:15, the Ben Ish Chai (Parshas Chayei Sara), and a good number of other poskim mention the fact that long hair (or certain kinds of long hair) prevents the fulfillment of the biblical commandment of donning the tefillin shel rosh.
See Mishna Berura (27:15) that, in addition to problems of chatzitza, a lot of hair can prevent the tefillin from being secured in the right place. Apparently, the Chofetz Chaim means that the tefillin are supposed to be on the head, which may be accomplished even if there is hair in between. It is not supposed to be sitting on a clump of hair, which happens to be supported by the head.
According to kabbalah, a man should keep the hair of his head short (see Writings of the Arizal, Ta’amei Hamitzvot, parashat Kedoshim).
About cutting excess hair – see Zohar, parashat Tazria, page 48b.August 13, 2015 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #1096589catch yourselfParticipant
It’s not a ????? if you want it to be there – otherwise, how could a ???? wear ??????? (This is what we call “???? ????? ????”.)
A quick look at the pictures of the future ????? ???? from when they were Bochurim in Mir and Telshe and the other Litvishe Yeshivos in Europe shows definitively that there is nothing wrong with it.August 13, 2015 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #1096590mik5Participant
“A lot of yeshiva bachurim have them.”
And a lot of yeshiva bachurim don’t. Maybe it was during the 3 Weeks?August 13, 2015 4:05 pm at 4:05 pm #1096591
no… I’ve seen it everywhere including ner yisroel and shlangersAugust 13, 2015 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #1096592
If we made things assur just because the goys did them we’d be pretty stuck, so I don’t like that logic.August 13, 2015 4:55 pm at 4:55 pm #1096593
the thing is i make sure its not a chatzitzah and in fact helps me where i should place my tefillinAugust 13, 2015 5:06 pm at 5:06 pm #1096594cherrybimParticipant
Ravs Gifter; Huttner and many more had chups. However, if you have one to make you look younger; it is assur.
Now, what about a toupee or a comb-over, such as, probably the same p’sak.August 13, 2015 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #1096595
R” Joseph Soloveitzchik of yu also hadAugust 13, 2015 5:12 pm at 5:12 pm #1096596JosephParticipant
I’m looking at a number of pictures of Rav Gifter and Rav Hutner and neither have anything close to being mistaken for a chup even though neither suffered hair loss.August 13, 2015 5:24 pm at 5:24 pm #1096597cherrybimParticipant
I left out the “such as” details. No need, you can provide your own names.August 13, 2015 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #1096598israeli34Member
Learn the sugya and you’ll see that since today it’s widely practiced it’s not assur.August 13, 2015 9:05 pm at 9:05 pm #1096599catch yourselfParticipant
I suppose it depends on your definition of a “chup”.
If the definition is (as in most Yeshivos), “hair above the forehead, long enough to comb to one side,” then both Rav Gifter and Rav Hutner, among many others, had “chups”. Based on the pictures in front of me right now, Rav Hutner’s was slight, and Rav Gifter’s was quite pronounced. Many of the Alter Mirrer had very long “chups” before WWII.
I’m not sure what the other definition is.August 14, 2015 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #1096602yeinkelboruchMember
I’m self conscious about my looks so I keep a chup. Is that so bad?August 17, 2015 2:18 am at 2:18 am #1096603
We’re so quick to say, “It’s assur because it’s like goyim!” but, if we couldn’t do anything they do, we’d be in trouble.
“Nope, you can’t go to Walmart, goyim do that!” and, “It’s assur to eat popcorn! That’s goyish!” “Are you driving a car?! That’s a goyish influence!”
Maybe having bangs is assur, maybe it’s not, but I’m personally sick of hearing that things are ‘Goyish’. There’s nothing ‘Goyish’ about things that aren’t Jewish. They might not be in accordance with minhagim or religious standards we hold as frum Jews, but that doesn’t make something ‘Goyish’. It makes it secular.
And for the most part, there’s nothing wrong with secular things. We involve ourselves with things that aren’t necessarily Jewish for most of our days. And that’s okay, as long as we understand that those things aren’t our priority.
So as long as your haircut isn’t a halachic problem, go ahead and do what makes you happy. I personally think long hair on men looks terrific, if you can pull off the look.
Good luckAugust 17, 2015 3:34 am at 3:34 am #1096604
Forget driving. I’ve seen goyim breathe!August 17, 2015 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm #1096605
If the OP ever does find out whether it’s halachaclly okay or not, please let the rest of us know. I’m quite curiousAugust 18, 2015 1:33 am at 1:33 am #1096606
there seem to be a lot of opinions to sift throughAugust 18, 2015 2:38 am at 2:38 am #1096607
I’ve heard there are goyim who learn our Torah.August 18, 2015 5:39 pm at 5:39 pm #1096608apushatayidParticipant
Plenty of goyim have very short hair too. And not so short hair. And long hair. And very long hair.August 18, 2015 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm #1096609YITZCHOK2Participant
I think the styles have changed and now very short hair is in by the goyim so based on the expert opinions posted here all frum jews need to grow very long hair.August 18, 2015 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #1096610
There are so many more goyim than us that all the hairstyles are worn by goyim.August 19, 2015 12:49 am at 12:49 am #1096611
What about Avraham Avinu? Didn’t he have long hair?
I think it’s a good idea. How about we extend the 3 years thing we got going on for young boys till they’re in their teens or twenties. Let’s see how guys would deal with frizz and knotty locks and having to spend money on styling tools and hair product. It’ll give us some insight as to what kind of guy they are before we marry them, right? With all the crazy questions people ask these days about a prospective shidduch, this will give people more to play with.
I’m totally for this.August 19, 2015 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm #1096612ItcheSrulikMember
Ashkenazi Jews, including rabbanim had long hair (relative to current styles) for centuries. It’s only an expression of gaavah if you style it or grow it longer than your normal, average well groomed person, which means that it might be left to common sense and personal conviction. Shocking, I know.August 19, 2015 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #1096613
Culture and society don’t promote male beauty, so men with long hair probably wouldn’t feel the need to care about half the styling cares had by our society’s women.
Also is the three year a staple of being Jewish? because I don’t find it very practical (and two year old me doesn’t look good in a ponytail). It can be cute on little kids but I think the more hair a kid has flying around, the more prone he is to related accidents.
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