Is it better to be Chassidish or Litvish?

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    Yoel
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    Litvaks think every moment not learning is batalah. Chassidim are too maikel. If I had a choice which one should I choose?

    #1802902

    pro geshmake yidden
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    Why don’t you make your own sect? You could be machmir AND never learn
    Call it balaganish

    #1802921

    Yabia Omer
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    This is a very very silly question. What you should be is an Oved Hashem. All the rest is nahrishkeit.

    #1802913

    srugim
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    “Chassidim are too maikel”where do you get this from?
    chasidim are makpid in certain areas
    i once heard somone say chasidim are makpid what goes in their mouth litvaks are makpid on what comes out
    of their mouth.

    #1802911

    Reb Eliezer
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    The question is what comes first Torah or avodah. The Litvish hold that Torah brings to avodah whereas the chassish hold that avodah betaharah brings to the burn to learn Torah. The best is to be a chassidish litvak which instills the burning for Torah.

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    Uncle Ben
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    YoyBochur; Apparently you don’t have a choice. But you do have a choice whether to spend your spare time whipping up a storm in the YW coffee room.

    #1802937

    Reb Eliezer
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    Someone came to a litvishe gadol telling him, I don’t have time to learn. He told him to learn mussar and then you will find time.

    #1802939

    Naftush-2
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    Is it better to be Chassidish or Litvish? Yes.

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    Joseph
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    Why now Oberlander or Yekkish?

    Litvaks and Chassidim aren’t the only two games in town among Askenazim.

    #1802945

    Yes please go back to learning and there is no better mitzvah than this

    #1802964

    What do you call a non Chassid?

    Some people use the term Litvak. However, that leaves something to be desired, as there are Chassidim that are of Litvak roots. Chassidic groups such as Karlin, Slonim, and Lubavitch, are of such background. And there are misnagdim that are of non Litvish background as well. On the other hand, some prefer it, as it sounds sort of neutral, non-threatening, and non confrontational. It just means that the person comes from Lita, where the standard form of Judaism was not Chassidic. Some people use Litvish instead of Litvak, Litvish meaning that they follow the way of Lita, even if not from there or that background.

    The Lubavitcher Rebbe, stated that there are no Misnagdim today, just ניט חסידים . What he meant with that claim was that some non Chassidim today don’t really actively oppose Chassidism, or know why they are not part of it. They just know that that is not their background.

    Although that is incorrect (Misnagdim still exist and they cannot be wished away, even if a Chassid would like to imagine that they don’t exist), there is something to that.

    The last term, Misnaged, clearly indicates that a person is opposed to Chassidism.

    #1802963

    Some of those types otherwise affiliate with the Litvishe-Yeshivishe world, but,maybe inject some variety into their lives perhaps they are on a too narrow contemporary Litvishe spiritual diet

    Moshiach will be a Misnaged. Why? Because he will come and say kaddish, and he will not say ויצמח פורקניה ויקרב משיחיה (because if Moshiach has already arrived, it will be out of place, anachronistic, to say it). So that proves he is a Litvak, and not a Chassid

    #1802978

    ubiquitin
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    Best is to be a Yeksfardichasid

    that way you only have to wait 3 hours after meat, you can eat kitnyos during pesach and and never sa y tachanun

    #1803037

    srugim
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    joseph you can add chaim berlin to the equation
    they dont fit the mold of what a litvak is exactly

    #1803038

    Joeshmo
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    For sure to be Chassidish. Would you rather serve Hashem out of love or fear? Would you rather dance on shabbos or sing slow durge, slow songs? Would you rather look like a goy or a jew? Be Chassidish it is the best way to be a happy Jew.

    #1803057

    Joeshmo
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    Just be a Jew.

    #1803061

    Your name is chassidish613 why would you be againts your own kind

    #1803070

    Whatsaktome
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    About what the lubavitcher rebbe said that today there aren’t any misnagdim, even those opposed to chassidim aren’t opposed for the same reason they used to be, just an example is asking berachos from a tzaddik, the litvish today do, that was one if the things misnagsdim opposed, he meant that there aren’t anymore real misnagdim

    #1803077

    Joeshmo
    Participant

    Uncle Ben,
    I currently am doing this during Limudai Chol.

    #1803079

    srugim
    Participant

    the satmar rebbe said that nowdays no one understand the ways of bal shem tov

    #1803084

    “…out of love or fear? ”

    Ironic isn’t it
    other religions and other denominations make Similar about us

    Don’t mistake soberness for what you think it is
    the French Ernest renan and the British Carlisle both stated
    in 19th century that religious jews seem to lack of sense of humour

    “Would you rather dance on shabbos or sing slow durge, slow songs?”
    אז ימלא שחוק פינו
    הזורעים בדמעה ברינה יקצורו

    “Would you rather look like a goy or a jew?”

    what is preferable
    stressing externals or stressing real substantial internal growth
    even assuming this dubious claim has basis

    #1803097

    Reb Eliezer
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    The chassidish pronounciation iof ee over oo is a problem because it does not distinguish between male and female. How does a chassidish cow go? mee mee instead of moo moo.

    #1803109

    Reb Eliezer
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    ITFT, I heard a joke where a grandfather dies considerably younger than his grandson, so when they get resurrected as they died, they will say that, he is the grandfather who looks substantially younger, will make us laugh .

    #1803120

    Reb Eliezer
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    It says in Tehilim כי גמר חסיד The Szombathelyi Rav, Rav Katz ztz’l said that the Chasidim believe that they need no improvement, they are complete, once they are a chasid but the opposite needs to be true/ They are more scrutinized being a chasid.

    #1803122

    Reb Eliezer
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    The Noda Beyehuda says about saying שם יחוד that we can say צדיקים ילכו בם וחסידים יכשלו בם.

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    anIsraeliYid
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    It’s best to be a Shomer Torah u’Mitzvos.

    an Israeli Yid

    #1803155

    Joseph
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    The chassidish pronounciation iof ee over oo is a problem because it does not distinguish between male and female. How does a chassidish cow go? mee mee instead of moo moo.

    Reb Eliezer shlita: That isn’t a “chasidish pronunciation”; it is the same pronunciation used by the Chasam Sofer and other Oberlander Yidden. And that havara predates the existence of the chasidim,

    #1803156

    Joseph
    Participant

    ITFT, I heard a joke where a grandfather dies considerably younger than his grandson, so when they get resurrected as they died, they will say that, he is the grandfather who looks substantially younger, will make us laugh .

    Reb Eliezer: That isn’t a joke; it is the Emes. That is how is will happen at techiyas hameisim.

    #1803157

    Joseph
    Participant

    joseph you can add chaim berlin to the equation
    they dont fit the mold of what a litvak is exactly

    srugim: Rav Yitzchok Hutner ZT’L shtams from Gerrer Chasidim.

    #1803167

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Joseph, what you saying is not true. My rebbe the previous Matersdorfer Rav ztz’l had a pronounciation a hungarian u with dots on top. I don’t think it exists in english for male and ee for female. It exists in german as uber, over.

    #1803192

    ubiquitin
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    Joseph is correct.

    In Chasan sofer they taught what you would call “chasidshe havarah” with the exception of tzeiri that was pronounced as in play not as in high

    The Maosdorfer Rav z”l pronounced it this way too ((i’m reffering to Rav Simcha Bunim Ehrenfeld z”l not his father z”l)

    The sugya of nason hee veamor hee was very confusing

    #1803228

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    ubi, thinking more, it actually is not so confusing. Either נתנה היא ואמר הוא OR נתן הוא ואמרה היא.

    #1803225

    Reb Eliezer
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    Chasan Sofer became chassidish. The Viener Rav,. Rav Lebovits, ztz’l also my rebbe, pronounded it as ee chassidish. The yeshiva also turned chassidish. You are right . It ia confusing. It proves there should be a difference, so I say it like the german uber. No mistake is made in laining by the chassidim. The litvishe say oo.
    I also learned by Rav Simcha Bunim ztz’l but I don’t remember his pronunciatiion.

    #1803250

    Fafdichune
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    Is it better to be a violin or a flute? An apple or a pear? What a stupid question!

    #1803245

    YesOrNo
    Participant

    Start out Litvishe then as you grow up become Chassidishe!
    I see some people do very well in this Mehalech.

    #1803249

    “shtams from Gerrer Chasidim.”

    Only from his mother’s side
    that side seem to have raised him in Warsaw
    his father’s side was polish non CHasidish

    #1803279

    Joseph
    Participant

    It is Time: Rav Hutner wore a Spudik like Gerrer’s.

    #1803295

    yourfriend
    Participant

    to the questioner: If you don’t mind me playing the psychologist,
    You don’t enjoy learning, and that is the real issue, nothing to do with being chasidish or not. Take a step down from your pride, and ask someone who you look up to, to explain you HOW to enjoy learning, namely how to learing in a way that stimulates you.
    Behatzlacha

    #1803345

    Yoel
    Participant

    your friend; You don’t know me. I do enjoy learning. Hatzlacha “Mr. Psychologist”

    #1803352

    besalel
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    sorry for the hijack post.

    Joseph: the gemoro in perek chelek sanhedrin teach that when mashiach come all disabilities/illnesses – even the minor ones – will be removed from those who arise. It is a safe assumption that the maladies that befall all of us as we get older will also be removed. So is it really emes what you say?

    #1803394

    Joseph
    Participant

    Besalel: What’s the stira (contradiction) between what you mentioned and what I mentioned? They’re two pieces of the same puzzle.

    #1803403

    Gadolhadorah
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    Once the beis hamikdash has been rebuilt after z’man moishiach, which nusach will the Cohen Gadol use during the avodah/? Will the Levi’im respond Amen or UUUMEIIINE? These are momentous questions which need to be resolved.

    #1803842

    LA boy
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    Moshiach will be a Misnaged. Why?
    Because if he’s a chossid then the misnagdim won’t accept him but if he’s a misnaged the chassidim will still accept him as long as he finally comes

    #1803848

    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Wow LAboy. Your words are just overflowing with the ahavas chinam that moshiach is waiting for.
    …hypocrite.

    #1803860

    Gadolhadorah
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    If you are watching the live webcast of the kiynus of Chabad Shalichim being held tonight, you might subscribe to the notion that for a few hours we are all chassidim. Some of the stories of the incredible work of these shiluchim around the world are incredible and uplifting.

    #1804419

    huju
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    Are there only 2 choices. What about the Rotary Club?

    #1804427

    Teal
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    Yoel, something in your question is trolling. You didn’t come here to find out if you should be the serious learner or serious maikeler. Seems you came to bring something else to the table. Either way, BE A GOOD JEW! BE NICE TO OTHERS AND SEEK TO HELP OUT THOSE IN NEED! Then you will be a chassid, litvak, simple man or whatever you wanna be.

    #1804425

    Yabia Omer
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    Maybe it’s better to be Teimanish?

    #1804465

    Joseph
    Participant

    I’d vote for the Yekke’s.

    Unless Oberlander’s are more your cup of tea.

    #1804474

    Yabia Omer
    Participant

    Maybe it’s better to be Libyan?

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