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    Meno
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    Is it healthy for yeshiva bochurim to learn from a New Vilna Shas?

    #1674536

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    As opposed to Oz V’hodor?

    #1674693

    Meno
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    New Vilna Shas is much worse.

    חדש אסור מן התורה

    #1674702

    Takes2-2tango
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    Is it healthy for bachurim to skip learning נך.
    Majority of yeshivos totally skip it.

    #1674879

    avreichamshlomo
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    Is it healthy for bachurim to have a troll on the internet decided for them?

    #1674884

    Define “healthy”. Is it healthy for math students to have calculators? Is it healthy for writers to have spell/grammar-checks? The world keeps evolving and some skills may be weakened while others are strengthened. With the invention of matches, many of us lost the skill of starting a fire by rubbing sticks together – is that unhealthy? Was the printing of “mesoras haShas” unhealthy (cross references each segment of Gemarah with other places it is mentioned)? Today there are seforim on databases with search engines! A rov can search for teshuvas! The market today is flooded with Seforim that are melaket (collect) in halacha. drush, meforshim on chumash…Get with the program. While we make learning easier, it allows for energy to be spent on deeper concepts in the learning.

    #1674925

    knaidlach
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    Rebbitzen G…..
    i agree 100%

    #1675057

    Thank you Knaidl for you hascoma, and at 100%, that is a maximum agreement! I would add that there is a “yeridas hadoros” which requires compensation in Torah academia. I think the rosh yeshivas of today are not like the rosh yeshivas of previous generations, but would bochurim today really appreciate the depth and creativity of a shiyur from Reb Chaim (the GRACH), or Reb Elchonon, or Reb Boruch Ber or Reb Moshe Mordechai or Reb Shimon Shkop….Yiftach b’doro k’Shmuel b’doro, each dor gets leaders acording to the dor. I would suggest, each dor gets a shas according to the needs of that dor!

    #1675081

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    @#1674884REPLY
    Rebbitzen Goldenpickanicerscreenname
    Is your last name goldenpickanicer?

    #1675089

    👑RebYidd23
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    Participant, are you not familiar with the tragic history of Rebbitzen Goldenpickanicerscreenname’s name?

    #1675092

    Participant
    Participant

    huh? Mods, did you change my last post? Why?

    No

    #1675247

    Reb Yid: By all means, remind us all of “the tragic history of Rebbitzen Golden-Pick-A-Nicer-Screen-Name’s name”! Was it tragic?

    #1675265

    Kalman.M
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    For sure it’s healthier! An amazing fact!

    שס ווילנא החדש = 780 בגימטריה
    רבי מנחם מנדל בן לוי יצחק = 780 בגימטריה

    There’s remez here that it’s min hashmayim!

    #1675298

    Meno
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    Kalman. M,

    I have no idea what you’re trying to say, but you spelled מענדל wrong.

    #1675301

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    you spelled מענדל wrong.

    What’s the proper spelling?

    #1675303

    Takes2-2tango
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    Is it healthy for bachurim to skip learning נך.
    Majority of yeshivos totally skip it.

    #1675414

    👑RebYidd23
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    Yes, Rebbitzen. You used to post under a different name, but tragically, one day you came to the coffee room and found that it had been changed. You couldn’t even get your preferred alternative, Goldengizzard.

    #1675644

    adocs
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    I think the print is too clear and standard and therefore too easy to read. It definitely takes away some of the ameilus b’torah.

    #1675641

    Little Froggie
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    Hello and WB. I don’t post there that often (as I should be), I remember that one, Rebbitzen. I think it was because of something I complained about… the name didn’t sound too “eidel”. I’m sorry if I read it wrongly, or if I hurt anyone’s feelings in the process. RY, were you posting way back then? I don’t seem to recall..

    #1675762

    GAON
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    Reb,
    “Today there are seforim on databases with search engines! A rov can search for teshuvas! The market today is flooded with Seforim that are melaket (collect) in halacha.”

    If you are a true Lamdan you will see that is precisely the indication of what is the con of all those search engines etc.

    I have seen numerous quotations of these so-called “melaktim” that have been totaly either misquoted or, totaly out of context. Many times the opposite of final halacha etc.

    That is no doubt a result of one using. “search” and not knowing thoroughly, but rather seeing quickly a qoute and not learning the final end, or the next teshuvah.

    However, there is nothing wrong by using search here and there, but if that is your entire basis of knlowedge then your knlowedge is not true kinyan of yedios. You might remember it for a day or a week, but it will never be a part of you.

    You will never find someone like Rav Ovadia Yosef misquoting, for his knlowedge was obtained through yegiah and learning through these seforim from cover to cover.

    #1675763

    GAON
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    Is it healthy for bachurim to skip learning נך.”

    No its not. See marhal in Derech haChayim perek 6 mishnah 48 devarim etc. It was already an issue in his times.

    #1677513

    LOTR92
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    What’s wrong with the new vilna shas? It sounds like someone just doesn’t like the word NEW.
    New doesn’t mean bad or wrong.

    #1677514

    LOTR92
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    @takes2-2tango
    Yeshivos should teach nach, unfortunately it is majorly undervalued.

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