November 18, 2015 12:48 am at 12:48 am #616668
By this I mean, is it mutar to listen to a recording of a shiur your Rabbi gave during the week on shabbos from a recording started prior to shabbos.
What if the audio quality is so good that when you close your eyes you cant even tell if your Rabbi is in the room speaking live or if its a recording.November 18, 2015 1:48 am at 1:48 am #1113213
How about a ball game?November 18, 2015 2:01 am at 2:01 am #1113214JosephParticipant
How about watching a video of your rebbi? Or of 613 Torah Avenue.November 18, 2015 3:08 am at 3:08 am #1113215Torah613TorahParticipant
Is it muttar to be tovel if you have a sheretz in your hand?November 18, 2015 4:14 am at 4:14 am #1113216Mashiach AgentMember
Question: is it mutar to tape a big HAZAN if you turn on the recorder before Shabbos or Yom Tov?November 18, 2015 4:20 am at 4:20 am #1113217
Torah: Yes, it’s just pointless.November 18, 2015 5:40 am at 5:40 am #1113218👑RebYidd23Participant
Is it mutar to do something pointless?November 18, 2015 8:13 am at 8:13 am #1113219Mashiach AgentMember
It’s not pointless the person loves his Rebbi shiur or his favorite chazzanNovember 18, 2015 9:35 am at 9:35 am #1113220555Participant
RY23: You only get punished for the bitull torah not as a davar Assur.
Probably includes the CR.November 18, 2015 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #1113221MenoParticipant
How could you say the coffee room is bitul torah? We’re discussing a halachic shailoh right now!November 18, 2015 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #1113222
“Is it mutar to listen to a shiur from your Rabbi on shabbos?”
In some shuls the people are very makpid and are machmir on this. As soon as the Rav starts speaking they fall asleep. Others, as an added chumra make sure to be out of the shul at the kiddush club long before he starts speaking so they dont hear a single syllable from him.November 18, 2015 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #1113223
MA: I was clearly answering Torah’s question.November 18, 2015 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #1113224
“How about a ball game?”
Why no serious answers? A ball game would obviously be zilzul shabbos.November 18, 2015 8:04 pm at 8:04 pm #1113225
Why is it zilzul Shabbos?November 18, 2015 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #1113226555Participant
Meno: You shouldn’t be using the CR as your Posek.November 18, 2015 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #1113227
The commercials and music and imagery. Shabbos is meant to be quiet and peaceful.November 18, 2015 8:18 pm at 8:18 pm #1113228
So on the radio without commercials would be fine?November 18, 2015 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #1113229
If you define “day of rest” like a goy, as a day off from work, then sure, the ball game is fine. So is washing the car, a bbq at the beach with all the beer you could drink followed up by a trip to the mall. Lunch at the olive garden would only add to the oneg factor.November 18, 2015 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #1113230
DY, I would not. But I also would not play sports on shabbos either. Thats why I asked about listening to something that we listen to on shabbos anyway, like a shiur.
Can you listen to a recording of someone laining that weeks parsha? This is literally the same thing you will be listening to in shule- only on a recorded format.
So you can read a book on shabbos, but listening to an audiobook of the same exact book is assur?November 18, 2015 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #1113231
turning it on before Shabbos should be assur because of mashmia kol.November 18, 2015 9:53 pm at 9:53 pm #1113232
“but listening to an audiobook of the same exact book is assur?”
I think Rav Aryeh Kaplan illustrated the great error in how melacha is defined as he opened one of his seforim on shabbos as follows. “A couple lives on the 17th floor (I dont remember the floow number but it is irrelevant) of a high rise building. When they come home after shul it is considered a “melacha” if they push the call button for the elevator, yet it is not considered work for them to walk up all 17 flights”.
Is the question in this thread a melacha? Is is a zilzul shabbos in some way? If you derive pleasure from this activity do you get credit for oneg shabbos? Im not thoroughly familiar with all of hilchos shabbos and the nosei keilim to say definitively one way or another. I do follow the smell test though. This doesnt smell right to me.November 18, 2015 10:01 pm at 10:01 pm #1113233
“turning it on before Shabbos should be assur because of mashmia kol.”
What are you talking about. The kol is exactly the same. Only difference one comes out of vocal cords the other comes out of a speaker that sounds juts like vocal cords.November 18, 2015 10:07 pm at 10:07 pm #1113234
They’re two different kolos which sound the same.November 18, 2015 10:37 pm at 10:37 pm #1113235
“They’re two different kolos which sound the same.”
So whats the problem.November 18, 2015 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm #1113236oomisParticipant
Not sure what the answer is, though listening to a recording is uvda d’chol, which though not necessarily assur, certainly is not proper. But to compare it to toiveling with a sheretz in hand (which l’chatchilah posels the tevilah), is not appropriate.
Can one listen to a TV program that goes on before Shabbos and the TV shuts itself off? Technically, maybe yes, but it would not be in keeping with the spirit of Shabbos. It’s a slippery slope to say, well, it’s divrei Torah, I feel like the rov is in the room with me, etc…If something is not in and of itself Shabbosdig, it might not be a good idea, even were it technically permissible. Ask your LOR, though. We are not poskim here.November 18, 2015 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm #1113237
newbee: The Rama says that doing something that normally entails a Melacha (in this case, electricity) that is Mashmia Kol is Assur on Shabbos.November 19, 2015 12:04 am at 12:04 am #1113238
“The Rama says that doing something that normally entails a Melacha (in this case, electricity) that is Mashmia Kol is Assur on Shabbos”
But you are not “doing” anything. It is being done prior to shabbos. And secondly that is when the sound sounds like a melacha sound, but in this case when the audio quality is so good what if it sounds like a person just talking or laining in the room.November 19, 2015 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #1113239HashemisreadingParticipant
Even if it is technically mutar according to the letter of the law, it is definitely assur according to the spirit of the law.November 20, 2015 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #1113240
But you are not “doing” anything. It is being done prior to Shabbos It’s forbidden to do it before Shabbos if it will make noise on Shabbos.
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