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  • #1937836
    Yt
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    Is it ok for frum Jewish people to buy lottery tickets, I mean is there an issur of gambling involved?

    #1937908
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    There is no issur of gambling, there is something called משחק בקוביא which makes a person פסול לעדות if he makes it into a profession

    #1937920
    streekgeek
    Participant

    Yes, it’s ok to buy one.
    It’s called hishtadlus.

    -Psak as per my Zaidy

    #1937925
    Yt
    Participant

    But to buy one every week?

    #1937926

    To amplify the zaidy – you are not allowed to rely on miracles. So, you need to give Hashem a chance to support you through normal channels. Many people go and learn a profession. But for those of us on a higher madregah, it is sufficient to buy a lottery ticket.

    A practical advice: don’t buy the losing tickets, they are a waste of money and asur to buy. But just the winning ticket, and maybe a couple of losing ones to avoid ayin hara of people saying that things are too easy for you.

    Let us know how it worked out.

    #1937931
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    By the individual we might have the consideration of asmachte lo kanye because he is sure he will win but not an organization or government where multiple people are involved it does not apply otherwise how can you have a yeshiva raffle but the Rambam holds anyway that only as a profession is assur. Also, they recognize that someone must win, so it does not apply.

    #1937953
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    “Also, they recognize that someone must win, so it does not apply.“

    That doesn’t work for a powerball ticket

    #1937986
    Meno
    Participant

    Why would anyone want to win the lottery? Feh

    #1937988
    RABBAIM
    Participant

    If you buy only one. Not any more. Just one. In that way we are giving Hashem a pesach- an opening that al pi teva can be explained as a winning ticket even though its clear that based on the odds it is a miracle. Bu we may not be zoche to a miracle in which Hashem drops 300 mil into my bank account. So we open a door the size of a needle- that iis our way of diminishing the miracle. Buying 2 means you are trying to increasing the odds. That is hishtadlus- that is ridiculous. Those odds ae not reasonable hishtadlus. You wouldn’t go for a job interview or for a shidduch if there was 1 in 300 million chance you would get it. The other thing is to be afraid of wealth. Ashirus is a bigger nisayon than poverty. Maybe the following is an idea. Draw up a contract in whihc you commit to give away 90 percent of the post taxes winnings to Tzedakos all over the world. Designate percentages for Yeshivos, Chesed organizations, yechidim etc. WRITE IT OUT> Sign it in fornt of 2 witnesses, give then copies, tell your kids you wrote such a contract so you are diminishing g the chances of the Yetzer orah creeping in. Then buy it and say Tehillim that the mosdos need you to win. Imagine if yo were able to distribute 270 million to Tzedakah….. without publicity. Set up a foundation- your name should not appear in public…. ah!! That would be a Kiddush Hashem!

    #1937997
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Rabbaim is it one or one weekly?

    #1938034
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    A side question:

    If Hashem decided on Rosh Hashanah how much you’re going to get aren’t you supposed to get it even if you don’t play the lottery (like finding it in the street)?

    #1938048
    Yt
    Participant

    @coffe addict, if playing the lottery was part of it then what’s the problem?

    #1938060
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Yt,

    The problem is does Hashem decide how much you’ll make in a year (50,000 or 1,000,000) then it shouldn’t matter how Hashem gives it to you because you’re supposed to get that money somehow

    Or is it that Hashem decides that if you play the lottery you’re going to get one amount and if you don’t you’ll get a different amount

    #1938076
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    I think, if you buy a lottery ticket but if you do other hishtadlus and worthy, Hashem will lead you to the right place at the right time.

    #1938109

    @Rabbaim, indeed. Wife of one of baalei mussar (maybe Alter from Slobodka?) bought a lottery. He immediately called witnesses and wrote a shtar that he has nothing to do with the money in case she will win. He was terrified with possible responsibility to use it properly.

    #1938123
    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    It is better to buy the Lottery Ticket than steal it.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    That said, I have never bought one.
    That is not to say I do not enjoy occasional gambling such as a card game (back before Covid, when some friends would come over for a Sunday supper, then the men would play cards and the women would play Mah Jongg.
    The amount gambled would be part of my entertainment budget, not money taken from bills or tzedakah or planned savings.

    #1938131
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Maybe the following is an idea. Draw up a contract in whihc you commit to give away 90 percent of the post taxes winnings to Tzedakos all over the world. Designate percentages for Yeshivos, Chesed organizations, yechidim etc. WRITE IT OUT> Sign it in fornt of 2 witnesses, give then copies, tell your kids you wrote such a contract so you are diminishing g the chances of the Yetzer orah creeping in. Then buy it and say Tehillim that the mosdos need you to win.

    I’m not sure I get this. Hashem doesn’t need your help. Of course, if you become wealthy, you should give a lot of tzeddah (if I may disagree with Uncle Moishy) but I don’t get the making a deal with Hashem part.

    #1938257
    reform rabbi
    Participant

    Gambling is mutar according to the RaMA. The Beis Yosef holds it’s assur.

    #1938292
    Yt
    Participant

    @dasdyochid that is an idea but I’m not planning on giving away over 90 percent in the case that I will win!!

    @reformrabbi I’m not sure who to hold by

    #1938300
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    @yt that wasn’t my idea

    #1938319
    Yt
    Participant

    Oops I misunderstood your post

    #1938545
    RABBAIM
    Participant

    Daas Yochid- along with $$$$ comes a huge Yetzer Horah. The shtar is to make sure you do as you promise. Asking Hashem to let you win so you can help mosdos, tzedakah etc…. is asking to be zoche to be a great shaliach MItzvah. Once you have taken the steps to commit to a plan, now you can ask to be a shaliach Mitzvah
    Reb Eliezer- one yearly!!! Parnassah is form Rosh Hashonoh to Rosh Hashonoh.
    Always- Mesillas Yeshorim says the nisayon of wealth is far greater than the nisayon of poverty! If he Gemara says that poverty is the risk of maavir al daas kono…. what can be said about wealth?

    #1938648
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    The Ksav Sofer interprets the pasuk ‘וה’ הולך לפניהם יומם בעמוד ענן וכו When Hashem brings one, day (wealth), he should think of the dark cloud (it can turn bad) but at night (poverty) he should think at tbe amud aish (stand of fire) it will turn good, so he will be able to withstand good and bad.

    #1938967

    RR> Gambling is mutar according to the RaMA. The Beis Yosef holds it’s assur.
    Yt> I’m not sure who to hold by

    Just roll a dice

    #1939046
    Avi K
    Participant

    You can google “may one play the lottery [i.e. purchase a lottery ticket]?” for the opinion of the Shulchan Aruch HaRav. also heard that Rav Ovadia and Rav Avraham Shapira allowed buying Israeli lottery tickets as they go for tzedaka purposes. Also, the odds are so enormous that any normal person will think that the money is gone. From the standpoint of taking the money if one wins, the sponsor knows that it will have to pay up someone eventually. There have actually been dinei Torah regarding someone who bought a ticket for someone else or received a ticket when buying something for someone else.

    #1939285
    Participant
    Participant

    big round of applause to @ctlawyer for not using tzedaka $ for gambling!

    #1939286
    Participant
    Participant

    @dy what uncle m?

    #1939461
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    @ Participant,

    The first song on the first Uncle Moishy record.

    #1939463
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Asking Hashem to let you win so you can help mosdos, tzedakah etc…. is asking to be zoche to be a great shaliach MItzvah.

    There are lots of wonderful mitzvos. You are suggesting we ask for the zechus to be able to perform one which allows us to keep 10% of hundreds of millions of dollars, and expect Hashem to be fooled ch”v into thinking it’s l’shem shomayim?

    #1939479
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Dy,

    I think that Hashem knows a persons true motivation and his past precedent solidifies that (if a person wants to give tzedakah at any opportunity possible)

    #1939484
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    (Follow up)

    Scratch that

    Hashem is בוחן כליות ולב and considers a מחשבה לטובה so if one really wants to help mosdos but can’t because he doesn’t have a lot of money Hashem does consider it as a זכות

    #1939511
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Dy,

    I think that Hashem knows a persons true motivation and his past precedent solidifies that (if a person wants to give tzedakah at any opportunity possible)

    Of course He knows (even without past precedent). It was a rhetorical question. I think the person buying the lottery ticket “l’shem shomayim” is fooling himself.

    #1939567
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    “I think the person buying the lottery ticket “l’shem shomayim” is fooling himself.“

    Maybe or maybe not

    Like I said before Hashem is בוחן כליות ולב

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