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DJ style music with beats sounding no different than what non Jews would listen to. All in the name of “farbrengen, leil shishi, simchas choson v’kallah. Now concerts with a similar style to summer festivals that non-Jews have.
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Thank you for noticing and pointing this problem out.
It’s really sad and brings tears to my eyes what has happened to klal yisroel in regards to listening to music.
Compare today’s music and singers to last generation and you will see a major difference. Today’s music-what they consider jewish cause it’s composed and sang by a jewish singer-is actually coming STRAIGHT FROM THE GOYIM with just changing the words of the song to a jewish sentence. And this us ehatvis really effecting a person’s Neshama and ruchnius. Its not the words of the song that effects the person listening to the song but THE RUACH and spirit of the song. And with today’s rocky hockey songs rocken the wedding hall and houses people are not realizing how much this effects their Neshama.
Stop hurting yourself and your Neshama by listening to these new songs that actually come STRAIGHT FROM THE GOYIM with just the words changed into a passuk from navi or Chumash etc…..
This has been the same complaint for at least hundreds of years. If a person thinks the Yiddishe music they’re listening to is unique and has no relation to goyish music, that usually means they are not familiar with the goyish music that the Yiddishe music is similar to. Sfardi music sounds like Arab music. Chassidishe nigunim sound like military marches and other music popular in the countries and times they are from, and some are even exact copies sung vocally instead of being played on instruments (I once heard someone sing Shalom Aleichem to the tune of Beethoven’s Fur Elise, he swore it was a nigun from I think Belz?). Chazzanus is literally just opera music.
This is not to say that we should freely be listening to goyish music. The above listed styles are currently and were in the past similar to the goyish style, but missing a lot of the negatives. For example, the DJ style music that sounds “no different than what non Jews would listen to” in fact has major differences. Our music has no pritzus, no nivul peh, and is composed of quotes from the torah or chazal. Our music is (mostly) played at events conducted in accordance with halacha.
It is also important to point out that different music is meant for different crowds. If you feel an event/song/singer is too close to the goyish style for you, keep in mind it is likely meant for people who would otherwise be engaging with the FAR worse goyish version.
Blah, blah, blah.
We’ve been through this a thousand times, and as far as I can tell it’s just an easy soapbox for someone to claim moral superiority without having to substantiate or even explain their position.
Please provide a definition of “Jewish music.”
Also, please explain why Chassidishe niggunim are all so similar in style to Eastern European music of 200 years ago, why Sefardic music is so similar in style to Arabic music, etc.
The fact is that our music has been influenced by that of the culture around us for centuries, and this is true even of those songs that you consider the purest Jewish niggunim.
@Sam Klein points with nostalgia to the music and singers of “last generation.” Taken literally, this would refer to the music and singers of the early 2000’s, which were not substantially different from that of today. In fact, I’m sure we can find Sammy boy lodging the same complaint in the nascent days of the CR (albeit under a different User Name). Perhaps he refers to 40 years ago, when MBD was singing Yidden, and Abie Rotenberg was adapting the style of Peter, Paul and Mary? Or 60 years ago, the days of Shlomo Carlebach and the Diaspora Yeshiva Band? 80 years brings us right back to when the greatest talents in Modzitz were emulating the Eastern European composers, as noted above…With one or two exceptions, our tunes are not from the Beis HaMikdash, and what you might find inspirational and meaningful might be old-fashioned and meaningless to someone else.
Remember, those songs that you recall so fondly and with such reverence earned the scorn of the cranky old fuddy duddy of your younger years.
Go do something important with your time.
There is no such thing as “jewish sounding” music. The music that you think sounds jewish also sounds exactly the same like goyish/russian/eastern european non-jewish music of the prior century. in other words, jewish music always imitated non-jewish music because ALL music imitates other music. the clearest proof of this is that if you ask a 75 year old iraqi jew what non-jewish music sounds like he will point to the western sounds of ashekanzi music of 1900s. If you ask a 75 year old Ashkenazi jew what non-jewish music sounds like he will point to the mizrahi sounds of the iraqi jew.
Cath yourself
You asked for a definition for “Jewish music ”
In my honest opinion from listening to music for decades and watching the Ruach change of songs and the taam i can honestly tell you that the definition of Jewish music is
A)music that is relaxed and not rocken Like the ways of the goyim
B)you can feel the ruchnius taste and singing for Hashem and yes for your enjoyment too.
C)calm laid back music where as you sing the song you’re actually feeling and praising Hashem in thanks for the Simcha you are attending and if your at home, thanking Hashem for the beautiful family and home Hashem blessed you with. As a note Dovid Hamelech woke up every morning at midnight and sang praises to Hashem from Tehillim all night long until Sunrise. And the special thing about saying Tehillim versus davening from a siddur or anything else is that Sefer Tehillim was made as a sefer of 150 tefillos for EVERY situation a person is going through in life. So there’s always something to sing praises to Hashem from Tehillim.
clop clop clop at top of screaming shouts and deafening boom booms in NOT MUSIC.
yes, every generation has its type of music, i agree
but what they listened to (and all will be deaf when they reach our older age) is NOT MUSICI REPEAT ! IT IS NOT MUSIC.
LEADING TO DEAFNESS IS NOT MUSIC.beethoven would have been deaf ten years earlier if he heard today’s wedding “music”
today;s wedding ‘music’, is NOT MUSIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cut it out ! have the rabbis give a psak, do something, do anything !!!!!!!!!!!Leining and shofar blowing — these are Jewish music. The rest amounts to 1960s American Bandstand music emplanted with words from Tehillim.
The only authentic Jewish musical forms since the Churban are chazonus and klezmer. The Levitical liturgy was lost in the churban.
NOYB: I’m sure your right, Jewish music has always been modernizing together with the broader trends, But I would say there is a difference: Music has always been a means of connecting to Hashem or something in ruchniyos. Today it is by and large a form of entertainment or a nerve calmer. In my opinion it’s a מעשה שטן because we have more capabilities now of creating new music than we ever had before – if that was being used in the right way, it would be an incredibly powerful force against the יצר הרע.
NOYB, catch yourself and besalel are right. We’ve always echoed our surroundings. Older generations may not consider modern Europop, trance, punk-pop, rap or whatever genre to be music, but to the younger generation, it is.
It’s kind of like how my parents’ generation abhors the use of the term “ain’t” while my generation (middle aged Millenials) and younger use the term and think nothing of it.
To make the point:
– Shlock Rock parrots and parodies 60s-90s rock music.
– The song “Yidden” by MBD is a literal rip-off of “Ghenghis Khan” – 70s pop music.
– Miami Boys Choir in its heyday sounded like 80s and 90s pop music.
– Shlomo Carlebach and Diaspora Yeshiva Band sound like 60s and 70s rock music.
– Chazzonus is essentially the Jewish version of the opera.
– Chassidish niggunim are Eastern European folk and drinking songs. To wit: I heard someone use “Korobeiniki”, a morbid Russian love ballad also known as the music in Tetris, for those who have played video games, in davening.
– I witnessed someone use the most recognizable chords of the song “Iron Man” in Hallel.
– One of the most popular tunes for Dror Yikra in the US is “Sloop John B”, as in The Beach Boys.– The Shabbos Zemer “Ka Ribon Olam” – The author – R’ Yisrael Najara – literally wrote it to the tune of an Arab song that was fairly popular or common in the 1500s in what was then Jewish Gaza.
Why don’t you drive your old car. And cry about the fact that cars have been modernized. Why don’t you cry about the styles that _chanGe_
Music is a style.
That has changed .
Get over it@Sam Klein
@Yechiell
@Naftush-2
@Redleg
@Just VisitingYou guys proved my point better than anyone else could.
Not one of you were able to provide an objective definition of “Jewish Music.”
Not one of you responded to the point about how “Jewish music” has always adopted the styles of the cultures around us.
Sure, I could respond point by point to your posts, but the truth is that they are all beside the point.
Which, in a nutshell, is actually the point.
There is no “Jewish music” they just hate when things change.
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