Is none2.0 Orthodox?

I don’t think his elevator goes to the top floor.

None of the above. None, _2.0_

funny to hear this from a MO (Muslim Orthodox).

I wasn’t thinking about none2.0 in terms of levels of religiosity.
I came to the conclusion that he/she/they/zher was either a provocateur (whether we are talking about a bored yeshiva bochur trolling or a professional provocateur isn’t really relevant to my worldview) bringing up hot button topics and replying to responses with a level weaponized incompetence specifically to create a bigger provocation, OR we are dealing with someone who is freshly grown up and wondering about all sorts of realpolitik and facts of life but doesn’t have the tools and critical thinking skills to process the answers given.

Therefore, I’ve concluded that it’s probably not beneficial to anyone for me to respond to any posts from none2.0.

I doubt that anyone will really miss my sparse commentary.

Have fun and stay safe!

It’s ok yaakov yesef it’s a kaparah I’m getting points in shamayim. 😉

@fake,

My thoughts exactly

No hard feelings guys I know it’s cuz you rather villify someone that doesn’t follow the herd then actually examine what they say. Maybe I don’t say things coharently and I post too much info at the same time. But what I’m saying is grounded in truth, reality, common sense, morality, honesty, and realistic thinking cuz it is _concepts_ that are _universal_.
The fact that universal truth is such a trigger means you are a clique not a religion. Conformists. Not moral people. This entire thread clearly shows why the Torah is needed. First you virtue signal like your the chosen people and than you post this post because someone doesn’t conform to your way actually going against your own “halachos” proving my point about needing a moral guidebook lol. Cuz at the end of the day when it’s convenient for you (and _everyone_ does this) you _do_ make your own choices. This thread proves my point

none2, I am sure you are first noticing first people who make you feel uncomfortable – and let it indeed be kaparat avanot! They say that a verbal beating may be harder than a physical one, but, at the same time, it is a less hurtful way to have kaparat avanot. And having it done to an anonymous persona even sounds like cheating!

But also look at how many posters defend you, and – all those who did not post anything, they surely disagree with the OP!

Maybe Flexidox?

I actually agree with alot of what “none2.0” says (and i WISH there would be a thread like this about me).

But somethings make no sense and demonstrate __conformity__ to ridiculous, yet weirdly common (in the last 2 millennia) ideas. Mainly, the concept that something quoted in chazal is a “human” idea, but quoting the mythical “Bible” is somehow “the word of god”. Nothing could be dumber. Literally.

The Prushim created the concept of “kisvay hakodeah” and “ruach hakodesh”; the Tzedokim ONLY taught and studied the Laws of the Torah (in other words, “Mishna Torah” and “Talmud Torah”), and would agree with 80% of chazal today. The “Bible”, on the other hand, was non existent. The first jewish “Tanach” was published around 800 CE

In a world where morality is not the base of society but conformity is. Questions are villified. People are bullied. Your imperfections expose you as weak and bad. Acting is the name of the game. Showing you “fit in” is the only language these people understand. I do not fix my posts because I am not like all of you. I don’t care about presentation as I care about getting my point across. It is more important to be real and true. Then to always present yourself perfectly. Alpr of people are throwing stones because I don’t fit in the box or even because how I speak is “laughable” it’s not how I speak that matters but the content of my message. We are clearly serface level people. Elitists. That never really grew up. Time to face a little bit of scrutiny. A little bit of change. A little bit of a difference of opinion. This is a real world. We are not robots. Welcome

None2.0 is part of a group of people that believe only in the written Torah, and not the oral Torah- I believe they are known as Karaite Jews.
None2.0 just has a unique way of being part of this group due to the fear of being a conformist.

It’s not that I “only” believe in the written Torah. Thanks for carpementalizing me so you don’t have to examine your belief system. How convenient.
The written Torah simply doesn’t hold up to scrutiny and doesn’t fallow common sense and morality

Amom I doubt highly that karaites Intpret the Bible correctly it takes wisdom and common sense. Something people have missed of old for millenia.. now with real life experience the Internet and a life full of moral choices. Like in biblical times the biblical principles of reality are coming back to life. No more lies. Only truth. It’s becoming clearer and clearer every single day. Are you on the train or you simply can’t help but keep those chains tied around your neck like the good robot that you are.

“the biblical principles of reality are coming back to life. No more lies. Only truth”
Huh?? In the world u talking about man??

You are __ conforming__ to this ridiculous idealogy, that doesn’t have any basis in history. Was invented in the middle ages.

What exactly is “the Bible” and who made those texts in it?

You are the victim of CONFORMITY!! Just a different religion, invented in the dark ages, instead of the original Law of Israel – what we call mishna, talmud (all israel, not just for prushim, like the Bible is)

But u don’t wanna admit it

Ideology is a belief system, an agenda driven system disconnected _frrom_ reality. Im just observing actual reality and telling you the truth.
Sorry it hurts

It doesn’t matter how many people knew the law. It still did not fallow common sense or morality. Do you even know what morality is

You don’t really know what conformity is. Do you?

Morality isn’t something that you have a an opinion about. People cannot change right and wrong. You not confirming means you living in a dream. Keep dreaming
Can I change the colour purple.
Nope it will always be that color no matter if you agree with it or not.
Stealing is wrong
Murder is wrong
Those are facts
Not oppinons

none2.0, Torah is the morality. You are clearly not an Orthodox Jew. It is clear from the things you say.

Actually no I’m not orthodox. I live by morality first and for most and what God says to do. And im a free person. Just like I’m supposed to be.
I’m sorry to inform you but orthodox people are very judgmental and it’s very hard to be socially accepted among them anyways. It’s like stepping on glass. Everything is about conformity not about having real connections.
Everyone is about control.
They control who you meet, how you meet. When to get married. How to date.
How to dress
How to think
How to breathe. How can anyone live such a hellish lifestyle
I’ve also been treated very unfairly by orthodox people. Socially. They can be very obnoxious judgemental and cruel.
That’s why I write these posts.
Cuz I see everyday and am the back end of all this horrid interpersonal behaviours.
There’s s sense of um elitism
Or “I’m better then you. Your beneath me attitude” sorry it’s nasty.
It’d generally not in the poor population but usually the rich and self obsessed. I don’t know if money or religion but definitely we have no idea how to be moral.
And how do I know because we only treat our own kind “properly”
Present yourself a little diff and your _sub_ human
It’d a disgusting way to treat people
And don’t censure me cuz I’m diff that would just be proving my point
How do I know that your “good” behaviour id conditional cuz _im_ the condition and I’m treated like scum

The moral laws of the Torah, Which is the laws of reality, need to be tought in school. Do not kill. do not steal.
Yet we teach it’s ok to steal from non Jews..
It says make your scales fair and pay your workers on time or on that day yet we make new workers wait two weeks to get s paycheck and in those two weeks they can struggle especially at a begining of a job.
Do we _value_ honesty.
Or we just value conforming to a set of rules
Do we care that G-d treat the stranger in your land fairly. Or we got so far away from morality and so steeped in the controlling rules we keep we forgot who we truly are.
I’m not negating the good we do. But we are very very far from who we are supposed to be.

Also, something I should have done before — I do strongly protest against the way none2.0 wrote irreverently while writing about G-d (and le’havdil, his Moshiach).

None

Your entitled to your own opinions, but stop making up facts.

“Yet we teach it’s ok to steal from non Jews..

Like you posted later.

“Oh but it’s ok to besmirthch someone else. No. It’s not”

No where is it taught that one may steal, be it from a Jew or non-jew. Thats a whole load of crap and slandering.

2cents. Stop lying everyone knows that if it comes from a non Jewish place like Kohl’s or target you don’t have to return it. Stop lying.
Tomas Moshe I dress the part and live among the people but k don’t believe or like the way of living and thinking cuz it goes against common sense.
You just don’t like when someone doesn’t conform to your way of thinking.
Again not one thing I said goes against common sanse
It’s just too different from what you were told your whole life.
Instead of hitting my _charachter_ let’s talk tachlis.
What about what I said doesn’t make sense.