And is it permissible with fruit trees? If so, to what extent?
Is this because you saw the book called the art of bonsai where it shows instructions of people forcefully tying up trees with wire in what looks like some form of torture?
No, it’s because the equivalent is horrific when done to humans.
It shouldn’t be any different than declawing a cat which is now outlawed in California (I think, or maybe New York)
So is a tree the same as a cat?
“So is a tree the same as a cat?“
Is there an organization like PETA for trees?
So that answers your question
No, it really doesn’t.
Yes it does you just don’t want it to
Since plants do not have a nervous system nor a brain, they cannot feel pain. So I doubt it’s considered cruel any more than trimming branches or pulling weeds. But I’m no botanist.
If someone made you unable to feel pain, would you be okay with extreme body modifications?
The ASPCP is actually The Association of Supportive & Palliative Care Pharmacy.
Plants actually do react to things.
Plants are living things too and chazal bring down that the same prohibitions on t’zar baalei Chayim apply equally to donkeys and dandelions. Some make a big fuss about the pain to chickens from shlugging kaporos but where is PETA and the other groups during Succos when we are shaking the daylights out of lulavim. For shame!!!
Please don’t make up fake quotes in the name of Chazal, even though you’re just trying to be funny.
DY: OK….attribute the psak to Adam Chashuv Schiff
There is no such quote by Chazal. Rather the opposite the Gemara in Sukkah (Daf 35) states that if you grow an esrog in a mold, as long as it is a mold that is the shape of an esrog it is Kosher!!!! The Gemara did not answer that it is Tzar Baalei Chaim!!!
Therefore Lehalacha one is Allowed to grow a bonsai. And anyone who says that you may not in the name of chazal is talking devarim betailm gemurim!!!!!!
Extreme bonsai can be risky to the plant and prevent it from bearing fruit.
That is a totally different problem to tzaar baalei Chaim.
Furthermore this is ask hocus, since according to most poskim there is only tzaar ballei Chaim by animals that serve you
South African FFB Cynic, that is why I didn’t bring up tzaar baalei chaim.