May 27, 2019 6:36 pm at 6:36 pm #1733609
And is it permissible with fruit trees? If so, to what extent?May 30, 2019 7:48 am at 7:48 am #1735737Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant
Is this because you saw the book called the art of bonsai where it shows instructions of people forcefully tying up trees with wire in what looks like some form of torture?June 17, 2019 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm #1743655
No, it’s because the equivalent is horrific when done to humans.June 17, 2019 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm #1743709
It shouldn’t be any different than declawing a cat which is now outlawed in California (I think, or maybe New York)June 17, 2019 9:41 pm at 9:41 pm #1743722
So is a tree the same as a cat?June 18, 2019 11:02 am at 11:02 am #1743939
“So is a tree the same as a cat?“
Is there an organization like PETA for trees?June 18, 2019 7:23 pm at 7:23 pm #1744149
ASPCPJune 18, 2019 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #1744209
So that answers your questionJune 18, 2019 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #1744225
No, it really doesn’t.June 18, 2019 10:34 pm at 10:34 pm #1744233
Yes it does you just don’t want it toJune 19, 2019 8:03 am at 8:03 am #1744268chaim_baruchParticipant
Since plants do not have a nervous system nor a brain, they cannot feel pain. So I doubt it’s considered cruel any more than trimming branches or pulling weeds. But I’m no botanist.June 19, 2019 4:23 pm at 4:23 pm #1744623
If someone made you unable to feel pain, would you be okay with extreme body modifications?October 18, 2019 8:05 am at 8:05 am #1793489☢️ 🚭 ☣️ Rand0m3x 🧠🕴️🎲Participant
The ASPCP is actually The Association of Supportive & Palliative Care Pharmacy.
Plants actually do react to things.October 18, 2019 11:47 am at 11:47 am #1793546GadolhadorahParticipant
Plants are living things too and chazal bring down that the same prohibitions on t’zar baalei Chayim apply equally to donkeys and dandelions. Some make a big fuss about the pain to chickens from shlugging kaporos but where is PETA and the other groups during Succos when we are shaking the daylights out of lulavim. For shame!!!October 18, 2019 2:14 pm at 2:14 pm #1793603☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Please don’t make up fake quotes in the name of Chazal, even though you’re just trying to be funny.October 18, 2019 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #1793630GadolhadorahParticipant
DY: OK….attribute the psak to Adam Chashuv SchiffOctober 31, 2019 10:55 am at 10:55 am #1796107Reb Yid 613Participant
There is no such quote by Chazal. Rather the opposite the Gemara in Sukkah (Daf 35) states that if you grow an esrog in a mold, as long as it is a mold that is the shape of an esrog it is Kosher!!!! The Gemara did not answer that it is Tzar Baalei Chaim!!!
Therefore Lehalacha one is Allowed to grow a bonsai. And anyone who says that you may not in the name of chazal is talking devarim betailm gemurim!!!!!!October 31, 2019 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm #1796251
Extreme bonsai can be risky to the plant and prevent it from bearing fruit.November 4, 2019 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #1797314Reb Yid 613Participant
That is a totally different problem to tzaar baalei Chaim.
Furthermore this is ask hocus, since according to most poskim there is only tzaar ballei Chaim by animals that serve youNovember 4, 2019 10:13 pm at 10:13 pm #17973301Participant
No.November 4, 2019 11:32 pm at 11:32 pm #1797406
South African FFB Cynic, that is why I didn’t bring up tzaar baalei chaim.
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