January 26, 2016 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #617127
Is it a lack of emunah to be scared to go to eretz yisroel due to the terror attacks?January 26, 2016 9:46 pm at 9:46 pm #1133781
Southern Lebanon and parts of Jordan are part of Eretz Yisroel. Is being afraid to visit Lebanon, EY or Jordan, EY also part of this question?January 26, 2016 10:39 pm at 10:39 pm #1133782
obviosly you cant do somthing stupid if you walk into jorden your dead but in ey there are millions of people who live there and nothing happens to themJanuary 26, 2016 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm #1133783Mashiach AgentMember
in EY even with millions of yidden around these stabbings can still happen anywhere C”V. Every person needs to do their hishtadlus & also keep their safety as a top priorityJanuary 26, 2016 11:38 pm at 11:38 pm #1133784
the shaila is how much is called hishtadlusJanuary 27, 2016 3:24 am at 3:24 am #1133785Sam2Participant
The Meraglim never brought a Chatas (at least, not in their function as Meraglim).January 27, 2016 4:21 am at 4:21 am #1133786147Participant
I have already been on 2 solidarity missions to Israel this winter, and am IY’H slated to go on my 3rd solidarity mission to Israel in 6 weeks from now.
On my 1st solidarity mission, I was safely spending Shabbos in Yerusholayim having prayed Kabolas Shabbos at the Kossel, when 130 people that very same nite got savagely murdered in Paris.
The state department had Israel on a watch list but not France, but B’H I defied the state department, and went to Yerusholayim & not to Paris.
Last week’s Parsha mentioned Yehoshu’a by his elongated name in conjunction with Amoleq, [despite his elongated name being assigned to him in Shelach Lecho in conjunction with the Meraglim], so now is absolutely not the time to be scared away from Israel Chas veSholom.January 27, 2016 9:55 am at 9:55 am #1133787Mashiach AgentMember
your hishtadlus is living in EY which is a mitzva d’oraisa right in the torah. & from there keeping your Faith in Hashem that everything will go well & your family will stay safe in all situations
HATZLACHAJanuary 27, 2016 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm #1133788
Joseph, we cannot enter Lebanon so the question is academic. Why be afraid of entering Jordan? The Jordanian authorities very much want tourism so there is a large police and military presence. This means very few terror attacks and little crime (although women travelling alone might have problems). of course, if one is a resident of EY one should know where EY ends so as not to be over on leaving for no good reason. In any case, I do not think that there is a mitzva to cover every millimeter of EY. In fact, there were anshei maaseh who never left Yerushalayim and today there are roshei yeshivot who almost never leave their yishuvim.
Quacky, how much depends on the individual’s level. Rav Kook once told someone that the first war Am Yisrael fought was against the king of Cheshbon to show that one must get rid of his cheshbonot. On the other hand, Rav Soloveichik asked a talmid how he would earn a living. Today some people do pilot trips and most speak to counselors at Nefesh b’Nefesh.
M.A., not to mention the fact that Ramban famously says that mitzvot are only obligatory in Shmutz laAretz so that they will not be forgotten.January 27, 2016 1:02 pm at 1:02 pm #1133789
Avi, Jews who aren’t Israeli can enter Lebanon.January 27, 2016 1:39 pm at 1:39 pm #1133790☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
I do not think that there is a mitzva to cover every millimeter of EY.
Are you anti-settlement?January 27, 2016 2:50 pm at 2:50 pm #1133792
Joseph, Lebanon requires US citizens to obtain a visa. According to the State Department “travelers who hold passports that contain visas or entry/exit stamps for Israel will likely be denied entry into Lebanon and may be subject to arrest or detention. Even if their travel documents currently do not have Israeli stamps or visas, persons seeking entry into Lebanon who have previously traveled to Israel may still face arrest and/or detention if this travel is disclosed. The Government of Lebanon has the authority to refuse admission to U.S. citizens and to detain U.S. citizen travelers for further inspection”.
DY, c”v. In fact, I live on a settlement. I am also in favor of settling all other parts of EY. In fact, some of my best friends do not live on settlements.January 27, 2016 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm #1133793☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
If we don’t need to go to Lebanon because there’s no mitzvah to cover all of Eretz Yisroel, why live in dangerous areas (settlements)?
Your positions seem inconsistent to me.January 27, 2016 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #1133794Sam2Participant
DY: To give a correct Halachic answer that Avi probably doesn’t know, it’s because we were never Machzik Lebanon as part of E”Y post-Galus Bavel. Anything that we have been Machzik has Kedushas HaAretz. Those that we haven’t don’t.
(It’s debatable whether Kibbush/Chazakah by the current Medinah acquires Kedushas HaAretz, but everything I said is certainly true by the what Olei Bavel were Machzik.)January 27, 2016 11:11 pm at 11:11 pm #1133795
Sam: Olei Bavel weren’t Machzik the equivalent boundaries of the current State of Israel.January 27, 2016 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm #1133796
On a related note, Eilat is in chutz la’aretz.January 28, 2016 6:05 am at 6:05 am #1133797
DY, thye are much less dangerous than American cities and malls. however, if someone feels that another community is more appropriate for him ain hachi nami he should live there. Rav Kook said that just as Am Yisrael can only develop spiritually in EY an individual Jew can only develop spiritually in his portion.
Sam,the boundaries of EY are a subject of much discussion. Apparently they depend in large part on settlement. The first mishna in Gittin gives Akko as the northern boundary and David considered Gat to be Chul (Ketubot 110b). However, in the time of the Tanach southern Lebanon was part of EY (Laish) and it is definitely part of the Promised Land.
Joseph, Eilat was conquered by Shlomo HaMelech (Etzion Geber) and later by the IDF. Both were kibushei rabbim.
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