February 14, 2019 12:08 pm at 12:08 pm #1679417Fake Yeshiva BachurParticipant
Should parents allow their kids to watch regular sports, such as baseball and basketball, assuming that there’s no cheerleaders or commercials? Kids are in yeshiva the whole day and need a healthy outlet to have fun and relax from a long day. Or maybe they shouldn’t, as it might get in the way of their learning?February 14, 2019 3:28 pm at 3:28 pm #1679797
Watching professional sports isn’t healthy. It is bittul zman, And there’s nothing productive about it.February 14, 2019 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm #1679855☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
This is a totally theoretical question, right?February 14, 2019 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #1679938anonymous JewParticipant
Joseph, as opposed to the time you spend trolling the internetFebruary 14, 2019 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #1679961
You mean being mekarev Yidden to true Torah Yiddishkeit.February 14, 2019 11:03 pm at 11:03 pm #1680047
i go for sportsFebruary 14, 2019 11:03 pm at 11:03 pm #1680048
helloFebruary 14, 2019 11:22 pm at 11:22 pm #1680053
this isnt workingFebruary 14, 2019 11:24 pm at 11:24 pm #1680063
Watching sports is stupid. It’s like watching someone read a book.February 14, 2019 11:24 pm at 11:24 pm #1680057
ignore all above comments by meFebruary 14, 2019 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm #1680068
why does each comment take 5 minutes to show upFebruary 15, 2019 10:58 am at 10:58 am #16802351Participant
Better than a lot of things that people doFebruary 15, 2019 10:58 am at 10:58 am #1680220Takes2-2tangoParticipant
Why watch when u can play?February 15, 2019 12:45 pm at 12:45 pm #1680265frumnotyeshivishParticipant
why play when you can watch? Most people need hobbies to stay sane. Watching sports is not the worst potential hobby.February 15, 2019 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #1680302knaidlachParticipant
many children, teens are in yeshiva all day and have no interest in watching sports. their interest is in more toichen’dige things.February 15, 2019 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #1680303
Playing sports is healthy.February 15, 2019 2:58 pm at 2:58 pm #1680274akupermaParticipant
1. Should the question be “is entertainment okay?”. Perhaps is having “fun” okay? Are you arguing the relative merits of watching a baseball game versus learning gemara, or perhaps as opposed to going to a concert, or perhaps compared to reading a book (as opposed to learning a sefer).
2. Certain sports have specific halachic issues (swiming and “beach volleyball” come to mind very easily). While the ancient Roman “sports” were clearly avoadah zarah (yes, gladiators were a human sacrifice – not an athletic contest), one might find certain aspects of modern sports questionable as well (boxing, dog fighting, etc.).
3. If a sport is permissable to participate in, is it also permissable to watch?February 15, 2019 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm #1680332
Don’t forget the lowlifes that play these professional sports.February 15, 2019 3:02 pm at 3:02 pm #1680296Frumshmurda718Participant
Absolutely not. If you let them watch sports, their role models will not be gedolim, but rather they will be the sports players and they will want to look like them, dress like them, talk like them, etc. Watching sports is a waste of time, and going with their stadiums and seeing how these fools act like , with their cursing, yelling, pritzusdik women and shirtless men, crazy alcoholics, not tzinus ads, hedonistic gluttons, violence, השם ירחם. And to go there with a kipa & tzitzis, oy what a חילול השם! Our ancestors fought against such things during the times of Antiochus HaRasha, as the Greeks used sports to lure Jews into their trap. The yavonim (Greeks) even made a sports stadium right next to the Beis Hamikdosh! And here we are , 2000 years later , encouraging the same thing our ancestors put their lives on the line for. We might have won then, but the Greeks won in the long run. Keep your child away from sports like it’s cocaine!February 16, 2019 7:01 pm at 7:01 pm #1680391Avi KParticipant
Yankee Stadium has glatt kosher stands and Mincha or Maariv (depending on whether it is a day or night game) during the Seventh Inning Stretch. Weekday soccer in israel has Maariv during the break. Apparently some people think it’s permitted. I don’t know if it is considered a sport but many gedolim played chess as bachurim. One future gadol, upon beating his opponent (also a future gadol) commented that he needed to know that he can’t always win.February 16, 2019 7:01 pm at 7:01 pm #1680386GadolhadorahParticipant
Yasher koach…..by far the best troll of the day and probably the week…..a gutten shabbosFebruary 17, 2019 9:25 am at 9:25 am #1680566HabochurParticipant
I think a better question is Whats a better outlet for a bachur following sports or smokingFebruary 17, 2019 9:25 am at 9:25 am #1680567TryingToStayCalmBlocked
you mean on television? you have a television in your house? get rid of that immediately
sports today is not sports in 1947, the commercials around it are absolute filth, the athletes are generally undignified, they boast, they brag. There are exceptions but you see so much bad middos in sports. and this obsession with winning is really unhealthy. there have to be other diversions available to your kids, particularity one where they are not passively watchingFebruary 17, 2019 10:45 am at 10:45 am #1680694CTLAWYERParticipant
The OP posed limits such as no cheerleaders/commercials………………….
I would not want my kids at professional sports venues where the crowds are out of hand, drinking beer, vulgar language, etc.
That said, I take my grandchildren (as I did not children) to attend local college baseball games as treats during Chol HaMoed Pesach. There is no alcohol sold, the crowd is a family type. The players are scholar athletes who must maintain grades to play/stay on the teams (Note I did not include footballi or basketball which attract a lower strata of fans and players).
An afternoon in the fresh air and sunshine at the ballpark is worthwhile and healthy. Helps eliminate Vitamin D deficiency,February 17, 2019 11:55 am at 11:55 am #1680757
Habochur, nice false dilemma. Let the bachurim lift weights and read classic literature for an outlet.February 18, 2019 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm #1681315zahavasdadParticipant
Habochur, nice false dilemma. Let the bachurim lift weights and read classic literature for an outlet.
Another thread many stated that JRR Tolkein was not accpetableFebruary 18, 2019 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm #1681335MrSarahLevine613Participant
Although i agree with RebYidd that this is a “false dilemma” — if i were to take the question seriously, i believe the answer to these things is what are you replacing it (e.g. sports) with. Even though i think that people here when they say “bittul zman/bittul torah” are saying it “tounge in cheek” (maybe) — when you say it to a kid or adult — they dont often say — right — what was i thinking — back to the beis medrash. Either you believe in leisure time or you dont. If someone enjoys painting (even if the are not a good artist) is better/worse than someone who enjoys watching sports? Is Jazz worse than classical? Maybe if its not assur — its permitted. (I am aware of the Ramban on kedoshim tehyu). Therse are rhetorical questions for the most part.
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