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August 29, 2022 4:43 pm at 4:43 pm #2119507
@RW, what I put into my body affects no one but myself, the signs are public domains.
BTW, thanks for being open and admitting your hypocrisy.August 29, 2022 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm #2119510AviraDeArahParticipant
Many other people throughout history have spoken a form of Hebrew. The ramban speaks this out – the Phoenicians, canaanim…ivri means “ever hayarden”, the way people spoke on the other side of the jordan. There wasn’t anything holy about the way the canaanim spoke. But if you look at the names they gave their cities, they’re all hebrew.
Asks the ramban, how then did paroh not speak it? And why was a translator necessary when the shvatim met who they thought was the viceory? The answer is that Jewish people spoke in torah language, in a form of code…think of how we talk in lomdus – it’s not intelligible to an israeli. “The chiyuv is chal on the cheftza” – try saying that to a frei guy in Israel and see if he has any idea what you’re talking about. The same thing went for divrei chol; sichas chulin requires study, chazal say. It’s special, it’s cryptic
(this ramban doesn’t fit with the chasam sofer about the avos speaking a morphed version of a non jewish language…or it could be that the shvatim already had stopped doing that)
Assyrians, and even some modern day communities, can read kesav ashuris, and it is their main language. Yidden wrote in kesav ivris for millenia(as did the canaanim; the Greeks took it from the Phoenicians that they met in business travels). How then, can “Hebrew” as it is now be a “Jewish” language? Its holiness is inherent, Hashem made the world with it and from the aleph beis (always wondered which ksav this refers to), but not only jews spoke it, and when they did speak it, it was bekedushah, it wasn’t the mundane language that modern hebrew attempts to be.August 29, 2022 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #2119593
Avirah-” it’s not intelligible to an israeli. “The chiyuv is chal on the cheftza” – try saying that to a frei guy in Israel and see if he has any idea what you’re talking about.”
Other than the the fact that most words in that sentence are in English, an Israeli will definitely be able to understand since they can break up the word such as cheftza( which really is the only word thats complicated here) and understand. In any case a native Hebrew speaker without any Torah knowledge would understand that sentence 100% more than a non Hebrew speaker(American etc.) Especially if that sentence was all in Hebrew and not mostly in English.August 29, 2022 11:02 pm at 11:02 pm #2119595
Avirah Im sure any typical English speaker can definitely understand someone coming to talk to them in Biblical English or Shakespearian. Does that mean its a different language? Its olde English and also very formal high level which is typically not spoken. Hebrew exists and its a bit more modernized than Torah Hebrew naturally but any Hebrew speaker can understand almost everything the Torah says aside for a few difficult words. How would that be possible if Ivrit is a made up language? Yes they invented new slangs and a few different meanings to words but again languages mostly evolve with people and eras. Also what do you want people to do this is their language should they stop speaking it? Hebrew is the language of the Jews. You cant say any other language is. Whether it should be spoken day to day or only for Torah is a different story but its still the language of the Jews. Also Rashi says before the Migdal Bavel all communicated in one language Lashon Hakodesh. So do you even know what Lashon Hakodesh is?August 30, 2022 7:30 am at 7:30 am #2119646
Avrira, why give this hypocrite what he wants? he just admitted he have a double standardAugust 30, 2022 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #2119831
Common Saychel, you need some common sense to understand that throwing terms around on others for something that you are doesnt work in this world. Once you started getting defensive and attacked me since you had no answers left, i chose to ignore your further messages.August 30, 2022 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #2119846
@RW its called offense not defense, and you a hypocriteAugust 30, 2022 7:00 pm at 7:00 pm #2119912KryptoniteParticipant
Interesting how one question started this whole fightSeptember 7, 2022 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #2122243AvihuParticipant
To all of you who think Yiddish is thriving I wanna remind you that it was put on the endangered list.
Hebrew in the other hand…September 7, 2022 6:02 pm at 6:02 pm #2122254
what list is that?September 7, 2022 7:50 pm at 7:50 pm #2122281AviraDeArahParticipant
Common, he’s referring to the UNESCO list on Wikipedia – yiddish is considered endangered…in Europe. Because there aren’t a lot of yidden there who speak yiddish, especially when compared to previous generations.
In north America, it’s on the rise, clearly.September 7, 2022 9:06 pm at 9:06 pm #2122275
The list where you couldnt prove to us why Hebrew is a made up language.
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