Israel South Africa?

Why does Israel have to grant them citizenship if they live in Gaza which is supposedly”Palestine”? The Arabs who live in Israel and are citizens have full rights and work in hospitals, some are doctors and even members of Knesset just as any Jewish Israeli. So how is that Apartheid?

Karlbenmarx “the Zionists are fighting the Torah so who cares what others call them?”

Are you that ignorant? Assuming you are a Yid then you should definitely care what others call them since they are trying to break up the Jewish Homeland and are calling Jews the oppressed who have become the oppressors.

The fact that they come up with such bizarre claims and twist definitions of Apartheid and other terms shows that things finally are getting out of control. When the world ignores terrorists and claims they are doing this as resistance to what the Israelis do to them, there is nothing to even talk about since all lies are being stated as facts.

Arab Israeli have some “basic” rights? You surely have never been to Israel. How is being a member of Knesset, a doctor or nurse working in a hospital, taxi driver, or being able to freely walk around, live and shop wherever you want just “basic” rights?

Arabs can enter any Jewish area without harm, in fact they are the threat themselves. But if a Jew enters an Arab village even within recognized Israel it is a danger to their lives. Also read what I wrote “Arab villages inside Israel. They make their own villages and areas it doesn’t get less apartheid than that they have freedom to live where they want. Even the city Ramleh, not Ramalla so don’t be confused, is so populated by Arabs and it is an Israeli city. Haifa as well full of Arabs.

How can that be Apartheid? Do you expect Arabs living in Gaza to have Israeli citizenship? It doesn’t work both ways you can’t claim your own land and also expect to have citizenship in the land you don’t even recognize the existence of.

They are calling it Apartheid as the situation is currently. Annexing is theoretical and hasnt happened yet.
Also isnt the definition of Apartheid that certain citizens have less rights? The non Israeli “Palestinians” are NOT citizens so how does that fit into the definition of the word?

Im not agreeing on any theoretical ideas which is the exact issue. Israel is being attacked on theoretical or nonexistent situations. Im sure things will fall into place when we get there. How about we start with real Apartheid and conflicts such as the Muslim Uygers in China being mass murdered and sent into camps as we speak, Russia/Ukraine conflict, India/China land dispute, Pakistan/Kashmir, Yazidis, China/Taiwan, North Korea Citizens, and so on. There is an obvious bias here to try to take away the Jewish homeland from the Jews and thats all it is.

“Article in Wall Street Journal”

There’s Apartheid in the Holy Land, but Not in Israel
Palestinian law makes selling land to Jews a crime punishable by death, often without trial.
By Eugene Kontorovich
Feb. 8, 2022 6:36 pm ET

The report by Amnesty International accusing Israel of apartheid—a likely preview of similar moves at the United Nations and the International Criminal Court—has been widely debunked, including in these pages. Yet what is remarkable about its 200 pages of distortions is the evidence of real apartheid-like policies that Amnesty leaves out. There are reasons to be concerned about the emergence of apartheid in the Holy Land—but not the ones Amnesty cites.

The defining characteristic of apartheid—what distinguishes it from generic racial discrimination—is the rigid separation of groups in public spaces and positions of power. This is the apart in apartheid.

Thus, a sign of apartheid could be a government policy that bans real-estate sales or transactions to the disfavored group. Apartheid is suggested by policies that carve out massive zones where the disfavored group cannot live or work, create ethnically homogenous zones, and restrict the disfavored group to ghettos. One might consider it apartheid if a government enforced a policy of extrajudicial execution of members of a disfavored group.

All these policies are practiced in the West Bank and Gaza—by the Palestinian Authority government against Jews. What makes the “Israel apartheid” meme particularly despicable is that is not just a lie, it is an inversion of the truth. In all areas controlled by Israel, Jews and Arabs mix openly. Yet the Palestinian Authority has for decades ruled over Gaza and about half the West Bank—and all the areas under its jurisdiction are Jew-free.

There isn’t a single Jewish community living anywhere under Palestinian control. This isn’t because of Jewish preferences. Jewish communities exist across the world; they would certainly exist 10 minutes from Jerusalem if it weren’t for the Palestinian Authority’s policies of excluding Jews and inciting violence and prejudice against them.

Palestinian law makes selling land to Jews a crime punishable by death, often without trial. Nor does the authority recognize any Jewish titles to private property. Last year a Palestinian religious official said on Palestinian TV that “this land is a pure right of its Muslim owners, the people of Palestine.” A senior Palestinian Authority figure said in an official publication, “Whoever sells real estate to the enemy . . . is considered a traitor to the religion, the homeland, and the people, and all those who commit this must be punished.”

In Israel, by contrast, Arabs enjoy full property rights, enforced by the courts against Jews. Perversely, Amnesty cites as an example of Israeli apartheid a series of legal proceedings in which Jewish property owners in the Jerusalem neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah seek (thus far unsuccessfully) to evict squatters who happen to be Arab. In Amnesty’s alternate universe, Jews enforcing their property rights is apartheid; Jews being denied the right to own property isn’t. The South African government used death squads against blacks. The Palestinian government pays terrorists for killing Jews—the more people killed, the bigger the bounty. It regularly imprisons the few brave Palestinians who speak out against its policies.

In all the territories controlled by the Palestinian government, Jews are prevented from worshipping at their holy sites, despite explicit provisions in the Oslo Accords requiring the Palestinian Authority to protect such worship. When Jews manage to visit such shrines, they must come in the middle of the night under armed guard. And even in areas under Israeli control, like the Temple Mount—Jews’ holiest site—the Palestinian Authority prevents public Jewish prayer by threatening mass violence if Jews “defile” it with their “filthy feet,” in the words of President Mahmoud Abbas.

All this is part of a larger vision. The Palestinian Constitution defines Palestine as an exclusively “Arab nation,” with Islam the official religion and Arabic the sole official language. At the same time, Palestinian officials and educators deny any Jewish history or connection to Israel. In Israel, on the other hand, though it is the only Jewish-majority country in the world, Judaism isn’t the official religion. Both Hebrew and Arabic enjoy official status. Yet Amnesty claims that merely identifying as a “nation state” of a particular people is an apartheid practice—but only when it comes to Israel.

Apartheid is not merely a term of opprobrium, it is a crime created by and defined in international treaties. As a legal matter, while Ramallah’s treatment of Jews is discriminatory and violates human rights, it is impossible to say it formally qualifies as apartheid. The standard for apartheid has been set so high by the international community, that thus far only South Africa has been deemed a clear case. But by the standards implicit in Amnesty’s report, the Palestinian government is guilty.

-Mr. Kontorovich is a professor at George Mason University Scalia Law School, and a scholar at the Kohelet Policy Forum, a Jerusalem think tank.

By1212 actually there is a solution and the only solution is by ignoring them just as Trump did. Say what you want about him, and even though he changed his narrative recently and said it’s the Israelis who are the problem, back then when he was in his right mind and heart he realized the Palestinians are just playing games and have no interest in peace which is why he spoke about a ONE state solution being Israel and nothing else.

That strategy worked so well that we didn’t hear of the Palestinians for 4 years, they lost all hopes and confidence that they kept their mouth shut and accepted reality. This is how it works with them and if you don’t believe it just look at day one of Biden they suddenly woke up and made it known how much they want to make peace and start negotiating. What a coincidence.

Ignoring them has worked for all the Muslim countries surrounding Israel including Jordan who has killed and banished around 25,000 Palestinians in 1971 known as “Black September”. But nobody raised an eyelash to that. The Arab countries cannot stand the Palestinians and hate these rejects thats why they don’t take them in. But they also hate Israel so it works great for them to encourage the Palestinians to make life he_l for the Israelis and they just laugh on the sidelines.

What will giving Gaza and west bank do how would they get across would they build a bridge between the “countries”? Because crossing through Israel would mean they need to be citizens or get a visa wouldn’t it? Aside for the fact that they will only fight for more since they “believe” that all Israel is Arab Palestine. Or at least that’s what they want to believe.
I think someone should tell them how the country was renamed as Palestina by the Romans before Islam was even created. So how can they have any connection to the land.
And if they say too bad the Jews lived there and got exiled out then we lived there so it’s ours(even though Jews lived there as well throughout the years). Well to that I answer the Jews lived there and got kicked out so too bad for them, then you”took over”, and now the Jews are back so too bad for you. Isn’t that the way this game works?

Whats funny is that even the Black leaders in Apartheid South Africa were against Israel and said that South Africa can never be free while the “Palestinians” are still suffering and not free. Go figure.