Israelis call it Chamin
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February 1, 2022 8:08 am at 8:08 am #2056567Yabia OmerParticipant
Not cholent. Comes from Mishnah in Shabbos “vetomnin es hachamin”. But when speaking of cholent they call it “choont”.February 1, 2022 8:35 am at 8:35 am #2056578
and the Israelis say Kokoosh cakeFebruary 1, 2022 9:24 am at 9:24 am #2056587akupermaParticipant
arguably, Cholent is a type of HamimFebruary 1, 2022 12:13 pm at 12:13 pm #2056683AviraDeArahParticipant
Yabia, sefardim have been calling it that for centuries… It’s not an Israeli thingFebruary 1, 2022 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm #2056721Yabia OmerParticipant
That may be so, but we’re talking about what people refer to it now.February 1, 2022 2:14 pm at 2:14 pm #2056726lakewhutParticipant
Not allFebruary 1, 2022 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #2056736
Why does it bother you if you call the dish eaten on shabbos chamin or cholent or chulent or choont
There’s more important things to worry aboutFebruary 1, 2022 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #2056738🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
exactly! like why this needed to be it’s own thread instead of a reply on the other one.February 1, 2022 8:37 pm at 8:37 pm #2056847
“There’s more important things to worry about [then Cholent]”
So true!!….the Shidduch crisis is raging out of control….Mike Pence is still walking the streets even though he failed to overturn the election……bugs are still crawling around in bags of romaine lettuce with hashgacha and the guys with yellow flags on Eastern Parkway have failed miserably in bringing Moishiach. And yet people are talking about Cholent????February 1, 2022 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #2056876
As gadolhadorah pointed out
All those things are way more importantFebruary 1, 2022 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #2056875
The Israel call chulent chamim, the Hungarians call French Toast Bundas, The Galitzyah call petcha Gallah, the English call a cookie a Biscuit and fries are called chips.
Now can we close the conversation?February 3, 2022 1:47 pm at 1:47 pm #2057455
@gadolhadorah, why do you think all those things are issues? It’s because of the disrespect so many yidden have for cholent. Cholent related issues are among the most serious issues our dor has ever faced. Only once these problems are resolved will we ever see the end of all our other issues.February 3, 2022 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #2057511
Perhaps we should instead focus on the underlying inyan of whether there will still be cholont AFTER moishiach comes AND if so, will it be mutar to have a special cholont with chazerfleish??
Chazal ruminating on the prohibitions against pork in the pasuk from Vayikrah (11:7) raise the question of: למה נקרא שמו חזיר שעתיד (loosely translated as “Why is a pig called chazir?”) The answer offered by some great talmedi chachamim was לחזור להיות מותר (i.e. because it is destined to be returned [“lachazor”] to permitted/kosher status after zman moishiach.”
While I’m sure that some of our great melamdim here in the CR will dismiss this prediction as fanciful hyperbole by the sushi set longing for a taste of the forbidden, others with culinary roots in the Alte Heim have directly tied this inyan to the kinds of special foods to which yidden will gain access after moishiach’s arrival. The more traditionalists observe that this will only happen because at that pigs will evolve into ruminant animals, like cows and sheep, which will remove the impediment for their hashgacha (although the whole concept of chazerfleish with a chasideshe hashgacha is a bit intellectually jarring). For others, it really means that by then, scientists will have produced a quality version of Beyond Pork in the labs which will become the go-to alternative for Cholent, Chulent etc
Anyway, B’Taavon!!February 3, 2022 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #2057523
Nah white meat in cholent just seems wrongFebruary 3, 2022 5:15 pm at 5:15 pm #2057574
Zaphod….reverse fleishigdike racism?February 3, 2022 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #2057578
Why? Some people put turkey (I used to) in cholentFebruary 3, 2022 10:16 pm at 10:16 pm #2057622
One of the biggest yesodos b’sugyas cholent is the color. A cholent lacking pigmentation is actually against Halacha, as I prove in my never to be released kuntris entitled A.C.U.M. Or Al Cholent U’Mesorah (it’s named after a title for goyim as a way to rub in their faces the fact that they are missing out on what’s widely considered to be among the foremost physical pleasures in all the known universe in their faces).
Anyway, white meat in cholent can cause disfiguration in it’s appearance, which according to some poskim is a punishable offense and which everyone agrees makes your cholent pasul. As to the racism charges, apparently white on white violence isn’t a big deal. Just ask Whoopie Goldberg.February 4, 2022 7:52 am at 7:52 am #2057650
ימות המשיח will change (הלכה (בית שמאי and מסורהFebruary 4, 2022 9:28 am at 9:28 am #2057660
Sure but that doesn’t mean colors will 😀.February 6, 2022 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #2058048KGNParticipant
The word “Tsholent” is a Yiddish word derivived from French: Chaud Lent.
Chaud – Hot
Lent – Slow
So “Hamim” is accurate noun to describe it
(assuming that “Chaud” is the noun with “Lent” as an adjective).February 7, 2022 7:52 am at 7:52 am #2058132
And what is the next big fight? if the correct word is chips or fries?February 10, 2022 10:32 am at 10:32 am #2059203Reb EliezerParticipant
They say fish and chips. CS, naming something is a means of communication, so if the other party knows what I mean, I can call it anything. If one knows that if I call a chair, a table and vice versa I mean the other, it does not matter. BTW, this topic belongs in the cholent topic.
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