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  • #2056567
    Yabia Omer
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    Not cholent. Comes from Mishnah in Shabbos “vetomnin es hachamin”. But when speaking of cholent they call it “choont”.

    #2056578
    commonsaychel
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    and the Israelis say Kokoosh cake

    #2056587
    akuperma
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    arguably, Cholent is a type of Hamim

    #2056683
    AviraDeArah
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    Yabia, sefardim have been calling it that for centuries… It’s not an Israeli thing

    #2056721
    Yabia Omer
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    That may be so, but we’re talking about what people refer to it now.

    #2056726
    lakewhut
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    Not all

    #2056736

    Who cares?

    Why does it bother you if you call the dish eaten on shabbos chamin or cholent or chulent or choont

    There鈥檚 more important things to worry about

    #2056738
    馃崼Syag Lchochma
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    exactly! like why this needed to be it’s own thread instead of a reply on the other one.

    #2056847
    Gadolhadorah
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    “There鈥檚 more important things to worry about [then Cholent]”

    So true!!….the Shidduch crisis is raging out of control….Mike Pence is still walking the streets even though he failed to overturn the election……bugs are still crawling around in bags of romaine lettuce with hashgacha and the guys with yellow flags on Eastern Parkway have failed miserably in bringing Moishiach. And yet people are talking about Cholent????

    #2056876

    As gadolhadorah pointed out

    All those things are way more important

    #2056875
    commonsaychel
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    The Israel call chulent chamim, the Hungarians call French Toast Bundas, The Galitzyah call petcha Gallah, the English call a cookie a Biscuit and fries are called chips.
    Now can we close the conversation?

    #2057455
    Zaphod Beeblebrox
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    @gadolhadorah, why do you think all those things are issues? It鈥檚 because of the disrespect so many yidden have for cholent. Cholent related issues are among the most serious issues our dor has ever faced. Only once these problems are resolved will we ever see the end of all our other issues.

    #2057511
    Gadolhadorah
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    Perhaps we should instead focus on the underlying inyan of whether there will still be cholont AFTER moishiach comes AND if so, will it be mutar to have a special cholont with chazerfleish??

    Chazal ruminating on the prohibitions against pork in the pasuk from Vayikrah (11:7) raise the question of: 诇诪讛 谞拽专讗 砖诪讜 讞讝讬专 砖注转讬讚 (loosely translated as “Why is a pig called chazir?”) The answer offered by some great talmedi chachamim was 诇讞讝讜专 诇讛讬讜转 诪讜转专 (i.e. because it is destined to be returned [鈥渓achazor鈥漖 to permitted/kosher status after zman moishiach.鈥

    While I’m sure that some of our great melamdim here in the CR will dismiss this prediction as fanciful hyperbole by the sushi set longing for a taste of the forbidden, others with culinary roots in the Alte Heim have directly tied this inyan to the kinds of special foods to which yidden will gain access after moishiach’s arrival. The more traditionalists observe that this will only happen because at that pigs will evolve into ruminant animals, like cows and sheep, which will remove the impediment for their hashgacha (although the whole concept of chazerfleish with a chasideshe hashgacha is a bit intellectually jarring). For others, it really means that by then, scientists will have produced a quality version of Beyond Pork in the labs which will become the go-to alternative for Cholent, Chulent etc
    Anyway, B’Taavon!!

    #2057523
    Zaphod Beeblebrox
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    Nah white meat in cholent just seems wrong

    #2057574
    Gadolhadorah
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    Zaphod….reverse fleishigdike racism?

    #2057578

    Zaphod,

    Why? Some people put turkey (I used to) in cholent

    #2057622
    Zaphod Beeblebrox
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    One of the biggest yesodos b鈥檚ugyas cholent is the color. A cholent lacking pigmentation is actually against Halacha, as I prove in my never to be released kuntris entitled A.C.U.M. Or Al Cholent U鈥橫esorah (it鈥檚 named after a title for goyim as a way to rub in their faces the fact that they are missing out on what鈥檚 widely considered to be among the foremost physical pleasures in all the known universe in their faces).
    Anyway, white meat in cholent can cause disfiguration in it鈥檚 appearance, which according to some poskim is a punishable offense and which everyone agrees makes your cholent pasul. As to the racism charges, apparently white on white violence isn鈥檛 a big deal. Just ask Whoopie Goldberg.

    #2057650

    Zaphod,

    讬诪讜转 讛诪砖讬讞 will change (讛诇讻讛 (讘讬转 砖诪讗讬 and 诪住讜专讛

    #2057660
    Zaphod Beeblebrox
    Participant

    Sure but that doesn鈥檛 mean colors will 馃榾.

    #2058048
    KGN
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    The word “Tsholent” is a Yiddish word derivived from French: Chaud Lent.

    Chaud – Hot
    Lent – Slow

    So “Hamim” is accurate noun to describe it
    (assuming that “Chaud” is the noun with “Lent” as an adjective).

    #2058132
    commonsaychel
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    And what is the next big fight? if the correct word is chips or fries?

    #2059203
    Reb Eliezer
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    They say fish and chips. CS, naming something is a means of communication, so if the other party knows what I mean, I can call it anything. If one knows that if I call a chair, a table and vice versa I mean the other, it does not matter. BTW, this topic belongs in the cholent topic.

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