Israel�s Disproportionate Response
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January 4, 2009 4:37 pm at 4:37 pm #589050Y.W. EditorKeymaster
by Jonathan Mark
A proportionate response to Hamas, one might gather from the European scolds, would be as if the United States, after Pearl Harbor, would bomb just a few Japanese fishing boats and call it a day, believing the war would have ended with that.
When meeting that enemy, be proportionate.January 4, 2009 4:48 pm at 4:48 pm #629814
Israel cannot win. Proportionate or disproporionate. No military ”victory” will end the endless violence that has continued from 1948 until today. There are a billion more cocaroaches where these Muslims come from.
Only Tefila can do anything.January 4, 2009 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #629815000646Participant
Nice article!! well said!January 4, 2009 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #629816porParticipant
It is told that when the Steipler, zatzal, was asked about the invasion of Lebanon in 5742 he answered that it would require Urim v’Tumim to make such a decision. The situation then wasn’t so different, the north was getting bombarded constantly. Among other things, there is a question of balancing the likelihood of stopping the rockets from Gaza (which even the IDF admits is probably not likely to happen completely) against attacks like the one in Golders Green last week, may Hashem prevent them from escalating. Tefilla, tefilla, tefilla.January 4, 2009 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm #629817rabbiofberlinParticipant
joseph, on a differnet thread, I agreed with a quotaiton you brought down from R”aharon Kotler zz’l, (see thread).
On this thread, I could not disgaree with you more. We just read , a few weeks ago, parshat Vajishlach and you know the Rashi as well as I. There are three ways to approach enemies and they include ALL. Doron- negotations, tefillah- prayer but ALSo milchomo. So, it is totally wrong to say that tefillah is the only way.January 4, 2009 8:25 pm at 8:25 pm #629818
rob, perhaps, but such decisions are ill equipped when made by secular leaders who hold no value in the Torah.January 4, 2009 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #629819Itzik_sMember
I agree with the article – but hapitaron hayachid = Moshiach ben David! Let us show Hashem that Moshiach Now is not just a slogan!January 5, 2009 2:07 am at 2:07 am #629820
dont we need a Moshiach ben Yosef first? (and i recently heard that Moshiach ben Yosef has to die al kiddush Hashem before Moshiach ben Dovid comes, anyone know anything about that?)January 5, 2009 2:18 am at 2:18 am #629821
BYM: Your comments regarding Moshiach Ben Yosef are correct.January 5, 2009 2:26 am at 2:26 am #629822
thanks for confirming. can anyone potentially be Moshiach ben Yosef?January 5, 2009 2:56 am at 2:56 am #629823
potentially anyone who is a descendant of Yosef.January 5, 2009 3:34 am at 3:34 am #629825havesomeseichelMember
was this article published anywhere? It is so well written i think it should be spread to more news sources, including the UNintelligent and the NY times… maybe it will stop them from spreading political lies for one day…Reuters messed up again stating that Israeli soldiers were captured and killed when none were. Like the second lebanon war with that photoshopped picture. what a great track record for these people…January 5, 2009 6:22 am at 6:22 am #629826Mrs. BeautifulMember
This article must be spread. Very well written!January 5, 2009 10:04 am at 10:04 am #629827Itzik_sMember
Are you sure that Moshiach ben Yosef is a must? I learned that while of course there is mention of Moshiach ben Yosef in the Gemara, there is no mitzvah to believe in his coming as a predecessor to Moshiach ben Dovid.
In any case, since it is not clear how much time there must be between Moshiach ben Yosef and the final Geula, Moshiach ben Yosef may have been among the tzaddikim who died al kiddush Hashem during the Churban.January 5, 2009 12:21 pm at 12:21 pm #629828Mrs. BeautifulMember
Thanks for your words of wisdom!! Way to go!!January 5, 2009 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm #629829Feif UnParticipant
Actually, Moashiach ben Yosef will come only if we aren’t deserving of having Mashiach ben Dovid coming first. If we’re not deserving, then Mashiach ben Yosef has to come and fight the huge battle, before being killed. Then, Mashiach ben Dovid can come.
If we’re deserving, Mashiach ben Dovid can come straight away.January 5, 2009 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm #629830PhyllisMember
Wow- this is so inspirational after reading and watching the UN, UK, French condenm ISreal for being to “harsh” How can we get the Lefties to read this. Can u get this into the NY Times?January 6, 2009 12:48 am at 12:48 am #629831JAPPMember
how many more can the isrealis kill before they will get attacked
so far- over 500 kiilled and over 2,000 injuredJanuary 6, 2009 4:36 am at 4:36 am #629832oomisParticipant
Well-written and strong, this article really speaks to the real problem in the Middle East. IMO, there will never be peace there unless and until every last Muslim is out of E”Y, and more scared of Israel, than they are eager to show Israel who’s the boss.January 6, 2009 12:04 pm at 12:04 pm #629833yashrus20Member
Moshiach ben yosef has to come b/c just like shaul (binyomin) had to come b4 dovid i heard ben of yosef has to come b4 ben dovid (something to do with the children of rachel preceding, i look into it).
Response…response….response………..LEARNING IS THE ONLY RESPONSE. Wtvr the govt does is lev malachim uvsaarim b’yad hashem, so there is no right or wrong in what the govt does, however what we do makes all the difference!January 6, 2009 6:22 pm at 6:22 pm #629834Yanky55Participant
Jonathon Mark writes for The Jewish Week, a Zionist liberal paper to say the least.
I applaud the editor for posting a good article here, no matter the source….January 6, 2009 7:25 pm at 7:25 pm #629835oomisParticipant
“Jonathon Mark writes for The Jewish Week, a Zionist liberal paper to say the least.
I applaud the editor for posting a good article here, no matter the source…. “
Mikall melamdai hiskalti…January 8, 2009 3:25 am at 3:25 am #629836
needing Moshiach ben Yosef before Moshiach ben David is comprable to refuah lifnei hamakah and needing tza’ar before tzohar
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