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This questio may be silly, so forgive me, and perhaps indulge me.
Takrovos A”Z are assur behaanah. and must be destroyed.
But if said destruction is “fun” isnt that hannah. Granted Mitzvos lav lehonos nitnu, and if someone is say a pyromaniac then maybe the satisfaction he gets from burning, might not be assur (though as I recall using a mikva that one made a neder on is assur in summer, so even that may be assur)But isnt hosting a dance with music inviting friends dancing to celebrate said destruction and having a grand old time, having haanah from the item?
I think the isur hannoah is from the having an item not from not having item.
Let me explain myself. The isur hanoah is if רוצה בקיומו at the time when he wants the item to exist not at the time when he does not want the item to exist.
An example might be trumah that become impure which is assur behanoah and must be burned, but we can have hanoah when burning it.
I believe the enjoyment is from doing the mitzvah.
Hana’ah is benefit, my friend, not enjoyment. You may enjoy the spectacle to the hilt.
But if said destruction is “fun” isnt that hannah
It’s not hana’ah from the item of issur.
though as I recall using a mikva that one made a neder on is assur in summer
That’s physical hana’ah from the actual item of issur.
But isnt hosting a dance with music inviting friends dancing to celebrate said destruction and having a grand old time, having haanah from the item?
No.
So for a pyromaniac who gets Hannaah from burning is that a problem? Or is it davka physical hanaah
There’s no heter of mitzvos lav leihonos nitnu on pyromania.
So it’s not relevant to this case.
It is a contradiction where his actions overtake his intentions. He wants to keep it, but he is happy to burn it.
Presumably you cant burn Issureoi haanaah for fuel/heat.
Right. Which nobody is doing here. The hana’ah they’re getting is the mitzvah, which is muttar because mitzvos lav leihanus nitnu. Any ensuing celebration is a celebration of the mitzvah and not hana’ah from the item.
If someone toiveled (during the winter) in a mikva which was ne’esar b’hana’ah to him, which is muttar because mitzvos lav leihanus nitnu and there’s no physical pleasure, he can definitely make a party to celebrate that he was m’kayem the mitzvah of tevilah.
Not sure what relevance pyromania has to your question.
“my question is (partly) if someone gets pleasure from burning things (ie a pyromaniac) allowed to destroy an issur hanaah by burning it?”
Now this is starting to get silly. You can’t derive benefit from the burning substance (eg. cook a barbecue on it). If the pyromaniac gets pleasure from it, he’s just enjoying the mitzvah. Just because he would also enjoy burning newpapers wouldn’t make any difference.
I’m not sure if it’s more linguistically accurate to translate hanaah as “pleasure,” but within context I think the translation of “deriving benefit” usually gets the point across more accurately and deters these kinds of questions.
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