Itamar Ben-Gvir

I’m not a big fan of Netanyahu but I do respect his political skills. He deliberately allowed BG to go up on har habayis early last month just as the government was being formed to let him score some political points and deflate the issue. Now that Netanyahu is trying to establish ties with the Saudis, ANY such provocation would be stopped in its tracks and BG would be squashed like a bug. The Saudis have been relatively quiet about Israel’s forceful responses to Palestinian terrorists BUT if Israeli politicians provoked a violent confrontation on Har Habayis, the Saudis would immediately cut off any further discussions with Netanyahu on commercial “normalization” under some variation of the Abraham Accords.

the arabs in EY are wicked dangerous bloodthirsty שונאי ישראל. the entire population must be permanently expelled as per the halachic obligation of pikuach nefesh.

American, just as we guard our houses with maakos, we guard our safety in galus according to the teachings of chazal, who tell us that we are to keep a low profile, and that angering goyim causes Jews to die

@Gadolhadorah: I do not seek to promote “Kahane type terrorist actions against the general Arab population.” Meir Kahane himself was an american liberal whos ideology/platform could be viewed as potentially problematic with the torah, but I’m not getting into that right now…

I am only advocating for the expulsion of the arabs living in areas where they are close to a populated Jewish presence (like mixed jewish-arab neighborhoods, Jerusalem, certain areas of the WB..etc.) because they are a known and dangerous public menace.

sorry but I follow the Torah and Hashem. פקוח נפש for the yidden in the land comes first.

Jack: Excellent comment.

jackk,

–> that is the problem. we should be trying our best to FULLY SECURE our communities and not allow these arab terrorists who openly call for our death to be living next to our sons and daughters. if Moshe, Yehoshua, Gideon, Shimshon and Dovid Hamelech were running EY today they would totally not accept the current security situation.

–> obviously it must be done in a swift and responsible manner, taking into consideration the safety of all Jews living in EY and beyond. part of the problem today is that it is difficult to start because of such dangers (feedback loop) but the solution isn’t to do nothing and let the arabs continuously kill us while celebrating our deaths, it is to start to chip away as much as we can and enhance security manifold… especially in Yerushalayim where there are hundreds and thousands of arabs who hate us living in the city, and in mixed arab-jewish cities like Lod (remember the riots/pogrom from a year 1/2 ago?)

–> Yes it is obviously פקוח נפש, and we are obligated to use our brains when looking at the world and deciding such matters, it doesn’t take a genius to put two and two together. if anything one can argue that areas where Jews & Arabs live together are much more dangerous than places where they are separated by a strong barrier (even if they hate us more); Yerushalayim and the West Bank are more dangerous to Chareidim & Jewish Israelis than Gaza is. moving them all out of jewish areas to places deeper in the WB is the way to go if you want to keep the sidewalks in Israel safe and to halt this endless Arab murderous terrorism against our people. Interestingly once the IDF erected the main portion of the security wall in 2007 (the Israeli West Bank barrier or whatever they call it) 98% of terrorist attacks and suicide bombings were stopped /were prevented.

–> so either we continue to do nothing thinking that the arabs are good people while we’re always on the lookout for potential terrorists lurking behind the corners as we walk in our communities and when we send our kids to school, always moving around with hairs standing on our necks and preparing our communities for the next intifada… or we have to forcefully remove these arabs from our neighborhoods and push them further out which would probably create another Gaza-like entity in the Nablus-Jenin area – which would actually be SAFER for the average Israeli because the IDF could always monitor what goes on with drones and can bomb targets from above rather than having jews getting continuously butchered on the streets…

some would say having two Gazas to deal with (one in the northeast and one in the southwest) would be a bit of a problem – but i would prefer this any day over my fellow jews getting shot, stabbed, or run over on the sidewalk in ירושלים.

–> If we do not do these things terrorists attacks will continue to happen, and many hundreds of Jews more will mercilessly die a painful and violent death at the hands of these animal רוצחים when we could totally have done more to prevent it…

Avira, did you ever hear of “eilu v’eilu”? Full disclosure: I do not go up on Har haBayit but those who rabbanim allow it should be allowed to do so. This ship sailed ninety years ago. The Mufti ym”s threatened dire consequences if the Jews would not admit that the Kotel is theirs. The Breitish and certain ghetto Jews pressured Rav Kook and Rav Sonnenfeld to agree. Both steadfastly refused and the threat dissipated.

Avi, rabbis from literally every camp of orthodoxy forbade going on har habayis, including rabbi kook and his son rabbi tzvi yehudah kook, every single chief rabbis, sefardi and ashkenazi…the only exception was shlomo goren, and even he only told people privately and didn’t want to publicize it.

That’s besides the original issur from rabbonim in Yerushalayim in the times of rav shmuel salant, when Montefiore thought he was allowed to go while carried in a box, etc…

Yechiell,

Jews have been given the tremendous privilege and zechus to live in EY. But we are all all still in Golus until Moshiach.

Practically speaking, Israel has enemies within and without who are ready to destroy her at the first opportunity. They must always be very careful how they act.

“Some of those who permit going on har habayis really know what they are talking about…”

And thats why for a long time, the YWN editorial staff found it necessary to include a warning in BOLD BLACK FONT in all the news articles on the subject that gadolei yisroel prohibit going up on har habyis and violators are chayav kores…..Perhaps BG should try his luck again and go up to har habayis to disprove the fears of all the Gadolim (and the wimpy editors who subscribed to the views of Gadolei Yisroel).