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  • #609139

    groisakishka
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    Are there dayos batorah that argue on the mishna berura that says that if L”G BaOmer falls out on Sunday, it is permitted to shave on erev shabbos?

    #998856

    popa_bar_abba
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    i hope not. I don’t want to have to shave yet

    #998857

    Sam2
    Participant

    I mean, there are Deyos Al Pi Kaballah that no one should ever shave ever. What are you asking for? Normative Halachah says it’s okay to shave. That doesn’t mean you have to. Feel free to not shave if you want. I’m not sure why you’re looking for a random other source.

    #998858

    hahahaha
    Member

    Are you so desperate to stick out as one who is rushing to shave? anyone who will notice the noticeable change will have their opinions and comments- just wait another 2 small days.

    #998859

    sh9888
    Member

    I cant quote the source, but I heard that it is acceptable to shave on such a Friday, I believe the reason is that it is not kavod shabbos to be unshaven and then shave immediately after.

    Best to ask a Rabinic authority

    #998860

    on the ball
    Participant

    Its the Rema no less who says it is Muttar. And he says it’s L’Kovod Shabos – so I don’t think we need to be fishing for a Chumra not to do it – as it may be a Kula in Hilchos K’vod Shabois.

    #998861

    Sam2
    Participant

    Oh. It’s still Assur for a Sefardi, I guess.

    #998862

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Is there any tzad l’hachmir for an ashkenazi? I really am enjoying not shaving. How about if say I won’t shave until the next friday?

    #998863

    🐵 ⌨ Gamanit
    Participant

    pba- just grow a waist length beard. It really suits some people. Maybe it’ll suit you too.

    #998864

    on the ball
    Participant

    PBA: Is your husband OK with that?

    #998865

    Israeli Chareidi
    Participant

    The Be’er Haitiv brings the Maharil who held that one should not cut hair on Friday and wait until Sunday morning, He then says that in a place where people are noheig heter one should not refrain from joining in. (493:6)

    #998866

    Sam2
    Participant

    Popa: I believe the Levush quotes the Rema’s reason as being that in his area it was illegal to cut hair on Sundays (those Blue Laws still exist in some states, actually) and thus he allowed them to be Makdim to Friday for Kavod Shabbos. If you are an a place where you can get a haircut on Sunday, I guess that’s a Tzad Lehachmir. Once again, though, it’s not that yuo need it. There’s no Chiyuv to shave. If you don’t want to shave, don’t shave. (Unless you actually look bad, which may be a lack of Kavod Shabbos and then this “Chumra” is obviously Meivi Lidei Kula anyway.)

    #998867

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Sam:

    I figure if kavod shabbos is enough to be doche the issur of shaving, it is probably an important enough inyan that I should do it even though I’m lazy. I look pretty awful.

    #998868

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I figure if kavod shabbos is enough to be doche the issur of shaving, it is probably an important enough inyan that I should do it even though I’m lazy. I look pretty awful.

    Can you post a picture so that we can judge?

    #998869

    Health
    Participant

    If it was upto me I’d be Mevatel all the Dinim of Sefira. Why? Because in our Dor – all I find is people grabbing the Toful and Not doing the Ikkar. They use the Dinim to look down on others. The ones that listen to music or even the ones that listen Acapella are cursed out. The ones that shave or take haircuts during some days are cursed out by others who don’t keep that Minhag. At least during the three weeks people give special Shiurim about Bein Odom L’chaveiro -during this time – Nada!

    This whole time of Sefira is to improve Bein Odom L’chaveiro, esp. amongst the Bnei Torah, but all I see is just the opposite!

    #998870

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    If it was upto me I’d be Mevatel all the Dinim of Sefira. Why? Because in our Dor – all I find is people grabbing the Toful and Not doing the Ikkar. They use the Dinim to look down on others. The ones that listen to music or even the ones that listen Acapella are cursed out. The ones that shave or take haircuts during some days are cursed out by others who don’t keep that Minhag.

    While you’re at it, be mevatel all halachos involving bein adam laMakom, for the same reason.

    #998871

    yacr85
    Participant

    Health, Why me Mevatel it, why not try to encourage people to work harder on their Bein Adam Lechaveiro.

    I myself am looking for a book that goes through the 48 ways based on the days of the sefiroh (as was done in many litvishe pre-war Yeshivos, where they tried to improve one middoh every day leading up to Kabalas Hatorah)

    #998872

    squeak
    Participant

    popa, if you shave everyone will know you are not a gadol. Kind of changes the landscape, knowing that.

    #998873

    Sam2
    Participant

    PBA: Well, if you really hold like the Levush then the Heter has nothing to do with Kavod Shabbos. And there is fairly strong reason to believe that the Levush knew the Rema’s reasons better than the later Achronim did. Still, it’s hard to go like a Levush against a majority like this.

    #998874

    groisakishka
    Member

    yacr85 look at the sefer “usfartem lachem”. It goes through every day’s sefira and recommends things to work on based on that particular day’s middos. Thanks forthe replies. I was asking because you can’t just Paskin halacha lemaysa from a rama’s haora on the mechaber

    #998875

    Sam2
    Participant

    Grois: Ummm, yes you can. That’s basically how P’sak Halachah works for Ashkenazim. As long as the Achronim don’t all team up and disagree, you’re always safe L’ma’aseh with the Rema. And the Mishnah B’rurah would bring down if this was such a scenario. It’s not.

    #998876

    on the ball
    Participant

    Groisakishka: I know Sam2 already pulled you over for this but sorry, I need to chime in.

    What the heck do you mean you can’t just pasken from the Rema from a Haora on the Mechaber. That’s what he wrote the Haoras for! You think he wrote them for fun? He wrote them so that we know what the Halacha is according to Gedolei Askenaz and so unless many Acharonim disagree – thta’s the Halacha for Askenazim.

    #998877

    Health
    Participant

    DY -“While you’re at it, be mevatel all halachos involving bein adam laMakom, for the same reason.”

    Your post makes zero sense. What does Sefira have to do with all Mitzvos Bein Odom L’mokom?

    #998878

    Health
    Participant

    yacr85 -“Health, Why me Mevatel it, why not try to encourage people to work harder on their Bein Adam Lechaveiro.”

    What do you mean “work harder”? For many it’s – “start working”.

    #998879

    squeak
    Participant

    Health- I’ll start if you will.

    Whoops!

    OK, starting now.

    #998880

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Your post makes zero sense.

    It was your idea to be mevatel mitzvos so nobody will be condescending. If you think it doesn’t make sense, I won’t argue.

    #998881

    Health
    Participant

    DY -“It was your idea to be mevatel mitzvos so nobody will be condescending. If you think it doesn’t make sense, I won’t argue.”

    You obviously didn’t read my post -I said Sefira Mitzvos -what pertains to this topic, not the counting of the Omer – the Aveilos. But your posts to me just prove my point.

    #998882

    Git Meshige
    Participant

    Health, Chazal instituted Halachos for a reason. Anyone that disobeys Halacha, should be frowned upon.

    #998883

    Health
    Participant

    Git Meshige -“Health, Chazal instituted Halachos for a reason. Anyone that disobeys Halacha, should be frowned upon.”

    I hate to have to say this, but do you know why we have these Halachos of Sefira? And don’t tell me because some people died.

    #998884

    goodjew999
    Member

    When lag b’omer falls on Sunday we are allowed to shave on Friday. Since it is lekovod shabbos, do we have to wait till chatzos to show that it is lekovos shabbos or can we shave even before chatzos?

    #998885

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    You obviously didn’t read my post

    Please be nicer. Y’mei sefirah are a time to work on bein adam l’chaveiro.

    I said Sefira Mitzvos

    Right. You haven’t explained how they should be disposed of for fear of condescention, but other halachos should not.

    #998886

    Health
    Participant

    DY -“Right. You haven’t explained how they should be disposed of for fear of condescention, but other halachos should not.”

    Because people focus on the Toful and ignore the Ikkar – when it comes to Sefira Mitzvos.

    Reread my posts and then maybe you’ll be able to understand my point.

    #998887

    frumnotyeshivish
    Participant

    There’s a lav of lo sisneh es achicha bilvovecha. This is bein adam lechaveiro. Health, you have just inspired me to inform you that you get on my nerves.

    #998888

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Because people focus on the Toful and ignore the Ikkar – when it comes to Sefira Mitzvos.

    So we should throw out the tafel? Should we allow eating on a taanis because people focus on the tafel instead of the ikkar? Or, are we so perfect otherwise, that in all areas besides sefirah, we always focus on the ikkar?

    Really, the irony of you lecturing about bein adam l’chaveiro while speaking in a condescending, haughty tone, is astounding.

    Please do not tell me to read your posts. I did. I just think they’re wrong.

    #998889

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    **snicker**

    #998890

    Health
    Participant

    frumnotyeshivish -“Health, you have just inspired me to inform you that you get on my nerves.”

    This is No Chiddush. It’s still Sinas Chinum. Lot’s of people get on my nerves too, but e/o has to work on themselves.

    #998891

    Health
    Participant

    DY -“So we should throw out the tafel?”

    Yes, that is exactly my point. You obviously Didn’t read my posts like you claim because that was my very first post.

    “Should we allow eating on a taanis because people focus on the tafel instead of the ikkar?”

    Fasting doesn’t cause more Sinas Chinum like what happens during Sefira.

    “Or, are we so perfect otherwise, that in all areas besides sefirah, we always focus on the ikkar?”

    Never said that, but we should always try to focus on the Ikkar.

    “Really, the irony of you lecturing about bein adam l’chaveiro while speaking in a condescending, haughty tone, is astounding.”

    My OP wasn’t condescending. If you came afterwards and started criticizing -then that’s what kind of response you got.

    #998892

    Health
    Participant

    Syag Lchochma -“**snicker**”

    You should at least strive to be on “frumnotyeshivish”‘s level.

    At least He isn’t Oiver “lo sisneh es achicha bilvovecha”.

    It’s better to be honest than sarcastic like your post.

    #998893

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    **gaffaw**

    #998894

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Health, you obviously didn’t read my post in which I told you not to say that I didn’t read your posts.

    #998895

    Health
    Participant

    DY – When I said “didn’t read” – it’s akin to “didn’t comprehend”.

    #998896

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Same here.

    Now just substitute “didn’t agree” and we’re okay.

    #998897

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

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