April 7, 2020 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #1848024yldParticipant
Should China be punished for starting the Coronavirus just like Germany were punished for WW1?April 7, 2020 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm #1848124
You just answered your own question — look how that worked out.April 7, 2020 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #1848221Doing my bestParticipant
All the western countries should get together and cancel all the trillions of dollars they owe to china. it shouldn’t hurt them too much, but will provide a significant potch.April 8, 2020 5:22 am at 5:22 am #1848263
Has anyone noticed that most of the worst pandemics over the last half century originated in China or around that part of the world?April 8, 2020 5:25 am at 5:25 am #1848265MistykinsParticipant
Why is the virus known as COVID-19? Because there were 18 other Coronaviruses out there. Just check an older Lysol canister and you’ll see it listed.
This wasn’t “invented “ by the Chinese. To say it was takes away the power of HaShem, who created all things, and is aware of everything that happens as a result. We can be upset that China didn’t handle the situation as they should’ve. But everything that happens is beyond our control and theirs.April 8, 2020 7:19 am at 7:19 am #1848283yldParticipant
milhouse, please explain how i answered my own question.April 12, 2020 7:47 am at 7:47 am #1848699April 12, 2020 7:50 am at 7:50 am #1848722
This coronavirus like many others was spread through bats and other animals sold in Chinese markets. It’s a strong part of their culture.
Muslims can’t make pilgrimages to Mecca. Christians can’t celebrate Easter – a festival of life – together. Jews have had to make pesach apart, perhaps for the first time ever. Even in the camps we were together!
It’s phenomenal who the Chinese think they are – and they must learn a lesson, through economic sanctions or the like, until they give up these markets.
For years now, many Americans (including the president himself) have been urging a reduction on our dependency on China; that we make our own goods once again, from cars to hospital gowns. If not now, when?April 12, 2020 7:50 am at 7:50 am #1848723
It’s known as covid 19 because it passed to humans in 2019. There are many different types of coronavirus.April 12, 2020 7:51 am at 7:51 am #1848724
Yes, Joseph – even the so-called Spanish flu came from that part of the world. Is it political correctness that prevents our politicians and leaders from calling a spade a spade?April 12, 2020 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm #1848806
Ebola originated in Africa. There’s no consensus about the origins of the 1918-1919 flu pandemic.
I’m not Milhouse, but the harsh terms of the Treaty of Versailles are generally accepted as leading to the rise of Hitler, Y”MS.April 12, 2020 1:59 pm at 1:59 pm #1848809hujuParticipant
To SaraZipp: Yeah, I sure miss those seders in the concentration/extermination camps. The mitzvah of Pesach is to sacrifice a lamb and remember that Hashem made us His people. The minhag is to be together with extended family. And the most important mitzvah is to protect life.April 12, 2020 2:07 pm at 2:07 pm #1848835GadolhadorahParticipant
Reducing our reliance on China for essential materials, ranging from the key ingredients for most of our drugs, a large percentage of our personal protective gear (masks, gowns, etc), rare earth materials essential to our technologies etc. is a no brainer and this pandemic will hopefully accelerate those steps. However, it is really not realistic to demand that China “pay” for the pandemic as politically attractive as that might sound to some on the far right and far left. In fact, we may need China to help finance the massive increase in U.S. deficits by purchasing even more bonds from the U.S. Treasury in the next year or two.April 12, 2020 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm #1848859
Yld, isn’t it completely obvious? You answered your own question. Wilson, the worst president the USA has ever had, insisted on punishing the Germans for WW1, and look how that worked out. It caused WW2. How can anyone suggest trying it again?April 14, 2020 2:27 am at 2:27 am #1849470
I don’t think any historian considers Wilson America’s worst president, although he certainly had major flaws. In fact, many historians rank him among the best. He was a relatively moderate voice regarding punishing Germany. Clemenceau certainly deserves more blame than Wilson for the harsh punishment meted out at Versailles.April 14, 2020 4:17 am at 4:17 am #1849482Sara RifkaParticipant
Yes, China is at fault, however, the world too takes some blame for authoring their climb, any country that creates a Tianamen Square disaster and of recent Hong Kong violence to their own should know better, as for Israel all should be screened before entry, for Missionary Purposes and disease spread…as well cancel the Port of Hefei….no one should allow KOSHER products to be produced their and all partnerships ceased….Yes, all monies owed should be shelved and then pardoned with care to those whose families suffered loss of lives, mental anguish jobs….TREAT IT AS A PAYMENT DUE LIKE GERMANY WAS GUARDED TO PAY OUT__even that won’t suffice the pain….April 14, 2020 8:52 am at 8:52 am #1849491GadolhadorahParticipant
All conspiracy theories aside, there will never be definitive proof that China caused the virus albeit clearly responsible for the delay in communicating its severity. It may be entertaining to discussing reneging on PRC held debt but that also will never happen. What we should be doing is taking steps now, including some already proposed by the Administration, to reduce our reliance on China across all segments of the supply chain. Otherwise, enjoy your theoretical debate over what we might do in some imaginary world.April 14, 2020 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm #1849582
YY, the opinions of professional historians are no more valid than anybody else’s. Many professional historians are socialists, idiots, or both. Wilson was definitely the worst president since at least the Civil War, if not ever. Maybe Buchanan was worse.April 14, 2020 5:18 pm at 5:18 pm #1849604
U.S. Army General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a news briefing, when asked if there was any evidence the coronavirus may have been developed in a Chinese laboratory — “And I would just say, at this point, it’s inconclusive although the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural. But we don’t know for certain.”April 14, 2020 5:19 pm at 5:19 pm #1849601
“Many professional historians are socialists, idiots, or both.”
Most,l or the vast majority are exactly that.April 17, 2020 1:36 am at 1:36 am #1849859
Wilson wanted Germany treated more leniently than did Lloyd-George or Clemenceau. Especially Clemenceau. Who was the greatest friend Jews had ever had in France. Intentions aren’t enough.
Oh, and anyone who thinks Wilson was the worst President ever flunked American history. His successor, Harding, was far worse.April 17, 2020 1:36 am at 1:36 am #1849860
Cancelling the US national debt would destroy the US economy, permanently.April 17, 2020 1:36 am at 1:36 am #1849862
Buchanan was clearly the worst President ever by most standards — he precipitated the Civil War! If you are concerned about genocide you would rank Andrew Jackson as the worst. Wilson was actually more successful than most; he got the US a central bank for the first time in almost 80 years, he reversed over 50 years of destructive trade policies, he enacted the first income tax, he had his son in law save the US economy from Depression at the beginning of World War I, and he successfully managed the successful war effort. Since the Civil War, there are a number of Presidents who were clearly worse than Wilson: Andrew Johnson, Grant, Harding, and Hoover for certain and probably Trump unless he pulls off a miracle and stops the coronavirus. Note that Trump’s favorite President is Jackson.April 19, 2020 8:22 am at 8:22 am #1850335som1Participant
it wasn’t punishing the Germans that led to WW2, it was not enforcing the punishments that led to WW2!!
ex: letting them built up their army again, not punishing them when they did, not punishing them when they started invading country’s (instead trying to appease the Nazis) etc.April 19, 2020 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm #1850453
I guess if you go by the name Milhouse you’re an expert on bad presidents.April 20, 2020 12:04 am at 12:04 am #1850772
Nixon’s middle name was Milhous, not Milhouse. And yes, other than being anti-communist he was a pretty bad president — he’d have fit in well in today’s Democratic Party.April 20, 2020 1:40 am at 1:40 am #1850820
Other than Watergate, how was Nixon bad? He was excellent in foreign policy; China, Israel, et al. And domestically he ended the Vietnam mess that Kennedy and Johnson got us into. If not for Watergate he’d rank as one of the better presidents.April 20, 2020 7:47 am at 7:47 am #1850833
Price controls, wage controls, “We are all Keynesians now”, “affirmative action”, OSHA, the ERA, the EPA, the Endangered Species Act, vast expansion of social security, medicare, and medicaid, expansion of the Voting Rights Act, etc. These are all things that no Republican today would do; we would call such a person a RINO. And that’s what Nixon was, except on communism.
Also, we now know that the USA knew that Arafat ordered the murder of the Khartoum hostages, but refused to do anything about it and covered it up for years; that’s on Nixon.
Search for an article by John Fund titled “Nixon at 100: Was He ‘America’s Last Liberal?”April 21, 2020 5:06 pm at 5:06 pm #1851551
One could argue that Nixon’s responsible for our current situation. Before he made nice with China, there was no trade with China, no flights to China, almost complete isolation. Of course, it’s unlikely that the situation would have remained that way if Nixon hadn’t opened up relations with China. Some other president would have done it.April 21, 2020 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #1851608
Milhouse: Using that logic you’ll need to argue that Pres. Ronald Reagan was the only good president since Pres. William McKinely.
YY: What “situation” are you referring to in your comment?April 21, 2020 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm #1851657
Current situation = COVID-19 pandemic in the US. I thought that was obvious.
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