August 18, 2023 2:27 am at 2:27 am #2217095AviraDeArahParticipant
I have to say that I’ve learned something during the latest round of chabad centered discussions.
I’m not referring to a new way of looking at the issue itself; I’m not convinced by anything I’ve seen posted to change my views on neo chabad, though I’m definitely open to any and all suggestions, as I’m not omed al diburai.
What i learned is that there are messianic or messianic sympathetic Lubavitchers who are nornal in other ways abd don’t engage in the incoherent arguments and rebbe rebbe rebbe stuff I’ve seen others do, who are aware of the outside world to ab extent i hitherto thought was almost non existent, and who don’t get lost in nitty-gritty conceptual jargon to the point of absurdity, or who are extremely chabad supremacist, or who thinknthat it’s almost aw important to make a so called kiddush chabad as it is to make a kiddush Hashem, or who could accept well intentioned criticism from outsiders.
What I’ve also learned is that there are anti- messianics who engage in some of the above to almost the same degree as messianics and who can’t admit that they’re wront about any issues remotely related to a conversation about chabad.
So I’ve learned something.August 18, 2023 9:03 am at 9:03 am #2217260lakewhutParticipant
So learn to love and respect differences?August 18, 2023 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm #2217341The FrumguyParticipant
Avira DeArah — you must be King of the run-on sentences which make no sense.August 18, 2023 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #2217415GadolhadorahParticipant
What is the standard for “normal” these days? Given some of the other craziness going on in the frum velt, the Chabadniks who cling to the notion that the Rebbe will be “returning” in some spiritual context but otherwise are shomrei torah umitzvot, seem quite normal. I’d be more concerned about some of the fringe elements of other chassidus and the Litvishshe tzibur who engage in seemingly non-stop broigas with their neighbors and hafganot targeted at just about everyone on a particular day of the week (sometimes for reasons not entirely clear even to the demonstrators).August 18, 2023 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm #2217445AviraDeArahParticipant
Lake, i don’t love or respect the opinions discussed here. Being able to be civil with people and recognize other facets of them doesn’t mean you have to respect every opinion they have.August 18, 2023 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #2217463Menachem ShmeiParticipant
What is the standard for “normal” these days? Given some of the other craziness going on in the frum velt, the Chabadniks… seem quite normal. I’d be more concerned about some of the fringe elements of other chassidus and the Litvishshe tzibur…
Listen, every community has its crazies. That’s how Hashem created the world.
Even here in the CR, there are many posters whom I may disagree with on many issues, yet I consider them very normal and bright.
There are some other posters (I have one recent poster particularly in mind) whom I consider completely nuts (at least they provide comic relief).
Reb Mendel Futerfas would tell a story:
In the town of Lubavitch, there was a “meshugener fun shtot”.
He always tried to approach the Rebbe Maharash, but the gabbaim stopped him. Once, he saw the Rebbe passing in his carriage, so he jumped in.
After conversing with the Rebbe, he jumped out, and was met by a group of chassidim who inquired what they spoke about.
He said: “My colleague, the meshugener of Vitebsk, invited me to join him. Since Vitebsk is a large city, there’s enough “business” for both of us.
First, of course, I had to consult with the Rebbe. The Rebbe said that I should stay since Lubavitch needs its own meshugener.”
When asked what made him ask the Rebbe for advice, the meshugener responded:
משוגע משוגע, אבער שכל דארף מען האבן
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