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June 12, 2022 10:10 am at 10:10 am #2095689moishekapoiehParticipant
And so, some on this blog would have us believe that the Jan 6 insurrection was merely a walk in the park, verily a picnic with just a few rowdy boys.
Obviously they didn’t watch t.v. that day in which our wonderful democracy almost was lost.
I say to these bloggers, that the Titanic was not the premier ship of its time, but merely a rowboat that happened to hit an icecubeJune 12, 2022 10:16 am at 10:16 am #2095700🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantWell, since nobody here ever said or insinuated such a thing I guess your whole premise is wrong.
Bummer.Maybe you should be spending less time in front of your tv
June 12, 2022 11:30 am at 11:30 am #2095729smerelParticipant>>>And so, some on this blog would have us believe that the Jan 6 insurrection was merely a walk in the park, verily a picnic with just a few rowdy boys.
No one said that
>>>Obviously they didn’t watch t.v. that day in which our wonderful democracy almost was lost.
Sure. American democracy was almost lost by thigs breaking into the capital. There was a real chance that they were going to install a new government. I’m so glad it didn’t happen and so terrified it will happen again.
June 12, 2022 11:31 am at 11:31 am #2095722ujmParticipantJanuary 6 was not nearly as bad as the Far Left media and Democrats falsely portray it. It was a mildly violent protest and trespassing by a relatively small group.
BLM/Antifa riots was far more than 100x worse.
June 12, 2022 2:58 pm at 2:58 pm #2095787jackkParticipantThis is the exact reason to listen to the January 6th commission.
You will never understand that the riot was a part of the coordinated overthrow of the legally elected president.
The riot needs to be understood in context and Trump knew it but his sacrifices didn’t.1)If the republican states can legally decide on their own which slate of electors to send , our democracy is over.
2) If Trump’s VP can legally decide which votes to count, our democracy is over.
3) His pressure on Pence to not certify Biden’s electoral votes
4) The 174 traitors in the republican party that voted on January 6th (after the riots) to overturn the election results.The background of Trump’s phone calls to find votes and lawsuits to cancel election results.
June 12, 2022 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #2095777ujmParticipantYou must also differentiate between the 100% fully legal and appropriate First Amendment protected political rally held by the President and thousands of patriotic Americans on January 6th from the small number of agitators who trespassed into the Capital building and damaged property (and led others to unwittingly trespass since the police didn’t stop them from entering restricted parts of the building.)
June 12, 2022 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #2095791moishekapoiehParticipantujm – you’ve made my point beautifully
June 12, 2022 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #2095793ujmParticipantDuring the BLM/Antifa riots you had violent Far Left thugs attacking police, killing innocent people and police officers, burning down buildings and causing tens of billions of dollars in damages nationwide, mostly in deep blue Big Cities. This occurred over a period of many months.
On January 6 you had a small number of agitators take advantage of a peaceful political rally to trespass and damage some property in one government building over a period of about three hours.
Which is the above two incidents is far worse, any rational person can easily answer.
June 12, 2022 4:56 pm at 4:56 pm #2095810commonsaychelParticipant@Moishe, and the point of this horse and pony show is???????????????????????
June 12, 2022 4:56 pm at 4:56 pm #2095811🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantMk- right, that’s why we call him a troll. Did you notice nobody else said it?
June 12, 2022 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #2095812smerelParticipant>>>4) The 174 traitors in the republican party that voted on January 6th (after the riots) to overturn the election results.
As if two of the most vocal members of the January 6th commission (Jamie Raskin & Bennie Thomspn ) didn’t try to do the exact same thing in 2016 not to certify Trump.
As is another member of the commission Adam Schff didn’t spend years trying to get rid of Trump by telling us baseless false claims that he had proof of Russian collusion and election fraud resulting in Trump getting elected. And Trump probably really deluded himself into thinking he won the election. Adam Schiff for all his self righteousness probably realized that he was lying when he claimed to have evidence of Russian interference in the 2016 elections
Even if I were capable of believing everything the January 6 commission is saying is true it wouldn’t change the fact that the Democrats spent years engaging in very similar behavior to get rid of Trump. It is only being viewed as a threat to democracy now becuae the other side allegedly did it.
June 12, 2022 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #2095813yaakov doeParticipantFrom what I’ve seen in the videos it wasn’t a small group of agitators trespassing but a horde of over 1000 people breaking into the Capital beating police officers, vandalizing offices, defecating and urinating in the halls while looking to harm Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi. Evidence revealed last week shows that there was a planned and coordinated attack by several hundred members of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers with weapons, bear spray and zip ties. The only question remaining is who planned the attack and for what purpose.
June 12, 2022 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #2095814moishekapoiehParticipantujm – to answer your question: it is far worse to try to overthrow the govt.
as for your ‘small number of agitators’, you are obviously one of those who never watched the actual horrific insurrection – over 3 hours, while your president watched, snacked, and did nothing (but probably kvelled ( I take that back, he DID kvell)June 12, 2022 5:16 pm at 5:16 pm #2095818anonymous JewParticipantJack and moishe
You just had the attempted assassination of a Supreme Court justice, egged on by past threats by Chuck Schumer and the illegal protests in front of his house. Our AG ( and thank Hashem Garland is not on the Supreme Ciurt ) has refused to arrest them, even after the attempted assassination, and Pelosi has been sitting on bill expanding their protection.BTW , the liberal Democratic media ( i.e. the Times) gave virtually no coverage to the assassination attempt. My local paper buried on page 7. Had this occurred to one of the left wing justices, there would have been screaming headlines
June 12, 2022 11:05 pm at 11:05 pm #2095890🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantAJ – typically, if you bring too much rational evidence they don’t like they either start calling you nasty names, or they disappear and try opening a new thread.
June 13, 2022 10:48 am at 10:48 am #2096062jackkParticipantAJ,
Did you even do basic research into the motivations of Roske? Or into the circumstances of his attempted “assassination”?
Do you judge everything by the NY Times Paper Edition? Or your local newspaper whatever that is ?
Did you follow up and see if there were further updates ?
Did you know that there were 2 deputy marshals in front of Kavanaugh’s house?
Did you know that Roske called the Montgomery County Emergency Communications Center and said he was having suicidal thoughts and had a firearm in his suitcase ?
Did you know that Roske believed the justice that he intended to kill would side with Second Amendment decisions that would loosen gun control laws ?
Do you know that it is not illegal to protest in front of SCOTUS’s house?
June 13, 2022 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #2096176anonymous JewParticipantJack,
Do you know it is illegal? Title 18 Section 1507 of the US CODE states:
It is illegal with the intent to influencing any judge to picket or parade in or near a residence occupied or used by such judge or to resort to any other demonstration in or near any such building or residence.
Legal experts , including those of the Washington Post ,agree that the protests fall.under the laws definition of illegal activities.Jack, you’re attempts to minimize the crime, including putting assassination in quotation marks, simply proves my point.
June 13, 2022 2:34 pm at 2:34 pm #2096181yaakov doeParticipantUnder what law are protests illegal outside a Justice’s home?
The young man arrested clearly has issues but there is no way to prevent him from buting a gun in most states.June 13, 2022 4:11 pm at 4:11 pm #2096212ujmParticipant“ujm – to answer your question: it is far worse to try to overthrow the govt.”
moish: No one seriously tried to overthrow the government or had any dreams of such a thing by trespassing into the Capital building. The overdramatization and hyperbole employed by Democrats and their State media (NBC CBS ABC CNN NYT WaPo etc) are just that.
June 13, 2022 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm #2096215ujmParticipantI think Jack would applaud (probably quietly) if a conservative justice (or preferably to him, multiple) was assassinated. Especially if Biden got to replace him (or them.)
June 13, 2022 5:46 pm at 5:46 pm #2096243moishekapoiehParticipantujm – yes, they DID try to overthrow the government.
what proof do you have otherwise? we all , and I mean, all of America, saw live what happened that dayJune 13, 2022 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm #2096261commonsaychelParticipantDo I think the Bengazi hearing was a dog and pony show? yes, Do I think the 1/6 hearing is a dog and pony show? Yes
June 13, 2022 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm #2096262ujmParticipantmoish — No, they didn’t. Breaking a few windows, dressing like clowns and yelling like hyenas to hang Pence aren’t the hallmarks of a coup. They’re examples of idiocy with no particular goals other than to get 15 minutes of fame.
June 14, 2022 10:19 am at 10:19 am #2096516Reb EliezerParticipantThe cat mashel, attributed to the Rambam, comes to mind where a minister teaches a cat of how to eat with a knife and fork. Another minister hides a mouse in his pocket. At the test, he releases the mouse and the cat forget all its teachings and runs after the mouse. When people have an opportunity to riot, they forget all their civility as it was done by the blackout looting.
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