jeans……?? yes? no? black? white?

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  • #602137
    esther 1995
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    y are they such a no go 4 yeshiva boys!?

    #856751
    Nechomah
    Participant

    Jean material was created and used for clothes worn by manual laborers. Since we are affected by what we wear on the outside, it is not appropriate for a yeshiva boy to be wearing such clothes.

    #856752
    OneOfMany
    Participant

    White jeans? Why would anyone wear such a thing?

    #856753
    more_2
    Member

    There are many threads on this go check em out!!!

    #856754
    WolfishMusings
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    Can you please clarify your question(s) (and preferably in complete sentences)?

    The Wolf

    #856755
    Think first
    Member

    This again? Same reason they are a no go for someone in the military, they have a uniform that identifies them as a yeshiva bachur and it happends to be black and white for some and gray and blue for some. Jeans happends not to be the uniform.

    #856756
    blackhatwannabe
    Participant

    They are more of a casual pants-people wear them to garden and paint and not they way to portray themselves in public and before Hakoadosh baruch Hu.

    #856757
    dash™
    Participant

    Same reason they are a no go for someone in the military

    Just because someone is enlisted in the military doesn’t mean they have to always be in uniform.

    #856758
    agittayid
    Participant

    How about black chino pants for yeshiva boys?

    Are they appropriate?

    #856759
    For_real
    Participant

    Huge aveirah. I think it was invented by the Catholic Church to make Yidden sin.

    #856760
    Avi K
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    Jeans are the true beged Ivri as they were invented by a Jewish peddler named Levi Strauss for miners who need strong pants. Later they were adopted by farmers and later became popular among the general population.

    #856761
    Toi
    Participant

    Avi you continually post the single most ridiculous argument ive ever seen on this site. If a jew had invernted speedos and the nazi military uniform, would that make them beged ivri? besides we’re not talking about “beged ivri” (I dont even know what youre referring to) rather what a yeshivamann should wear that designates him as a full time worker for Hashem. so what in tarnation do you mean?

    #856762
    mytake
    Member

    We’re not seriously gonna do a jeans thread again, are we?

    #856763
    esther 1995
    Member

    k so i was asking about jeans the “yes? no? black? white?” part is just a way of phrasing the question! not part of the question as in i was not asking about white or back jeans i was asking about jeans……..! and sorry if there has already been threads about it !

    #856764
    BTGuy
    Participant

    Clothing affects attitude. Clothing like jeans, cargo pants, tank tops,s muscle shirt are definitely not in line with supporting a learning attitude.

    If the bochur is raking leaves or helping to put in a fence or going horseback riding, I guess they are not so bad.

    Another problem is the slippery slope. Then what would be wrong with boots? A leather jacket?

    #856765
    ED IT OR
    Participant

    I’m not getting it, just coz a bochur is in yeshiva they can’t wear comfortable clothing?

    and I have seen many yeshiva bochurim with jeans.

    is the next thread gonna be on rimless cappel’s (yarmulkas to the Americans)?

    #856766
    apushatayid
    Participant

    “They are more of a casual pants-people wear them to garden and paint and not they way to portray themselves in public and before Hakoadosh baruch Hu.”

    Well, since one is tending his garden in front of Hakadosh Baruch Hu, it would follow that for garden work, it is appropriate to wear jeans. I suppose you might argue it is inappropriate to do garden work.

    #856767
    Avram in MD
    Participant

    I’m not getting it, just coz a bochur is in yeshiva they can’t wear comfortable clothing?

    I don’t find jeans to be comfortable. The material is stiff and thick. If you want comfortable, try sweat pants. Not sure that the reaction at work to my sweat pants would be a good one, though. So maybe we should blame the high unemployment rate in this country on the lack of tolerance for comfortable clothing in the office:-)

    #856768
    nfgo3
    Member

    When a bachur fixes the sink, he should wear jeans.

    #856769
    ED IT OR
    Participant

    nfgo3, LOL bochurim are meant to be learning not fixing the sink!

    ps what does nfgo stand for?

    #856770
    Feif Un
    Participant

    BTGuy: You’re right. Nobody should wear boots. Especially when it’s snowing. God forbid your feet should stay dry! And leather jackets? Oh no! Wearing a leather jacket is one step closer to being in a motorcycle gang! Never mind that they’re warm, can last a very long time, and are very comfortable.

    #856771
    OneOfMany
    Participant

    Wait, what’s wrong with boots?

    #856773
    esther 1995
    Member

    i think…. just like you would not go to the office in jeans similar situation with most learning boys

    #856774
    Avram in MD
    Participant

    Feif Un,

    Would you wear your pajamas to work? They’re quite comfortable…

    #856775
    AinOhdMilvado
    Participant

    OneOfMany… (and BTGuy)

    What’s wrong with boots?

    Nothing (inherently).

    I have a picture of my tzadik great-grandfather (with long beard and payos) with my great-grandmother, in their town in Poland in (approximately) 1900, and he is wearing leather boots that go almost to his knees.

    #856776
    twisted
    Participant

    When there is a techeiles thread, there soon follows a jeans thread. It must have something to do with the constellations.

    #856777
    OneOfMany
    Participant

    Nothing (inherently).

    What does THAT mean?

    #856778
    bpt
    Participant

    its a good question, just with one spelling mistake:

    G-E-N-E-S, not jeans. And its not just black / white; its height, eye color, hair texture, sports ability, ect.

    #856779
    MCP
    Member

    I’m wearing jeans as I type this. Then again, I have a job (to which I am wearing jeans) so that makes me lower class, allowing me to wear jeans.

    I have heard it brought down, peh mipeh from Moshe Rabbeinu himself, that wearing jeans is worse than doing petty crimes like stealing from the government.

    #856781
    blinky
    Participant

    “G-E-N-E-S, not jeans. And its not just black / white; its height, eye color, hair texture, sports ability, ect.”

    and just to add on- yup some yeshiva bochurim are very into genes when it comes to shidduchim- the girls hair and eye color, height and weight…lol

    #856782
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    twisted: That’s because kaleh ha’ilan (where we get the blue for blue jeans) is fake techeles. The techeles thread is for halachic discussion and the jeans thread is for letzonus. (Or it should be that way. Some people seem not to know the rules 😉 )

    #856783
    bpt
    Participant

    ” some yeshiva bochurim are very into genes “

    And won’t it be hilarious when they tell the shadchan they are looking for someone with good genes.. and she arrives after shevah brachos with a wardrobe full of denim!

    (I know I’d find that funny!)

    #856784
    blackhatwannabe
    Participant

    the way a person dresses reflects upon the person sometime. A casual wardrobe gives a person a casual attitude on life and yiddushkeit, especially in yiddushkeit.

    #856785
    Josh31
    Participant

    “uniform”

    While it is needed for a disciplined military to operate, generally those in the more intellectual pursuits avoid uniforms.

    Are we turning Yeshivos into Military Academies?

    I know there is the concept of “Milchamta” of Torah, but uniforms were not what they had in mind.

    #856786
    Toi
    Participant

    Josh- Its a mussar theory. It doesnt mean we’re gonna give roshei yeshivos stars on their shoulders. Its a way to show who we work for full time.

    #856787
    moi aussi
    Member

    Some jeans are tight fitted, with holes in the knees, is this kovod haTorah?

    #856788
    Loyal Jew
    Member

    I don’t understand how this discussion is allowed after the gedolim paskened against jeans in all colors and for all purposes. Is the next discussion going to be about what TV shows we should be watching?

    #856789
    BTGuy
    Participant

    Hi Feif Un and One of Many.

    lol (I assume you were being tongue-in-cheek).

    What kind of bochurim are you talking about?

    Nothing wrong with boots if they are Florsheims or what not.

    But in the wardrobe family of jeans and leather jackets, the kind of boots like Doc Martins or motorcycle style boots with pointed toe and block heels, well, there is something wrong with them for a bochur.

    If they dress like they are going to a local bar or a rock concert, they will act accordingly.

    Also, while leather jackets are comfortable and practical and stylish, I dont see anyone showing up to yeshiva in either a leather or suede jacket. It classes with the black hat, which is much better attire for a yeshiva boy.

    For me, clothing affects attitude and conduct. I find the more I accustom myself to yeshiva garb, and move away from looking cool on the “street”, the better I conduct myself.

    #856790
    Sam2
    Participant

    BTGuy: Don’t fall into the fallacy of assuming that anything that affected/works for you will work the same way for everyone else.

    #856792
    dal94
    Member

    why is esther 1995 asking about jeans and yeshiva bochurim?you should be focusing on your studies not boys if you would like to get into a decent sem.

    #856793
    banana123
    Participant

    thats exactly what I was thinking dal94…. this should not be on esther1995 agenda… why are you worrying about what yeshiva boys can or cannot wear??????? I know.. its a controversial topic but not for a girl… it seems you are in high school still. obviously not a true by girl….

    #856794
    esther 1995
    Member

    DAL94 copying my name in ur version?????????? hmmmmmmm

    #856795
    apushatayid
    Participant

    “Some jeans are tight fitted, with holes in the knees, is this kovod haTorah?”

    No more or less kavod hatorah that a black felt hat bent out of shape, a white shirt that testifies to this mornings breakfast or a pair of black pants that would benefit from a visit to the washing machine.

    #856796
    apushatayid
    Participant

    “after the gedolim paskened”

    Is this psak be found in “seforim hakedoshim”? Can you cite a source for this psak?

    #856797
    BTGuy
    Participant

    Hi Sam2.

    You are correct in that notion.

    Although idea of “proper attire” is not truly unique from person to person. Nor is the feeling one has wearing a muscle shirt and cut offs versus a tuxedo so different from person to person.

    There is a reason bochurim are not permitted to go to yeshiva with their shirt hanging out, jeans, motorcycle boots, leather jacket, and possibly certain style sunglasses.

    It does make a difference and have an effect.

    Yeshiva boys are not like regular boys. They are on the level, to say the least, of royalty.

    If they knock around in “street” clothes, I say it will have an effect on them. You say it won’t. Understood.

    #856798
    esther 1995
    Member

    BANANA123 i know i know u!

    #856799
    esther 1995
    Member

    CHUTZPAH!!!!!!! banana123 how dare you say im not a true by girl you have not got a clue who you r dealing with !;))

    #856800
    OneOfMany
    Participant

    Oh dear, we’ve been invaded….

    #856801
    more_2
    Member

    Esther1995- Another mod user…lol! If your not, your arrogance alone deserves that comment!

    #856802
    far east
    Member

    regardless of what anyone may say it is possible to wear jeans and be a frum jew, In fact its very common. Certain communities like to make everyone wear the same style clothing but sometimes people get too caught up in “dressing like a ben torah”. Being in yeshiva and wearing black and white does not make a person a true ben torah. Serving hashem the correct way does regardless of whether you wear jeans or dress pants. It doesnt reflect the inside of a person

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