April 9, 2015 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm #615456shtark4everMember
Does anyone feel that recently klal yisroel as a whole has been put under a magnifying glass and the rest of the world is closely scrutinizing our actions, its as if the world attention has shifted towards us . It seems like anti-Semitic slurs and comments keep rising and people are taking notice of our minhagim and actions. Im not just referring to the chilul hashem ,but rather even normal things such as metzizah b peh chol hamoed trips. My initial thought was that in general it seems like jews are trying to fit int the culture and become americans who are jewish and not jews who are american and hashem is trying to show us that we will never be able to fit in.April 9, 2015 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm #1071211apushatayidParticipant
chol hamoed trips? why do you think the non jews were at the same place at the same time, easter vacation family trips. it is what families do to try and keep the kids busy, especially younger kids.
As for jews in america and their feelings towards yiddishkeit, read an article by ben shapiro that appeared in politico yesterday.April 9, 2015 4:23 pm at 4:23 pm #1071212IvduEsHashemBsimchaParticipant
shtark4ever: I for one have never heard of a metzitzah b’peh chol hamoed trip.April 9, 2015 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #1071213
The major source of anti-semitic slurs are assimilated Jews. As they assimilate further they will no longer see themselves as at all connected to Judaism, and like most Americans, will leave us alone.
The Israelis aren’t so lucky, as the zionists have nothing to assimilate into.
By saying we are “American Jews” (with “Jews” as the noun) rather than “Jewish Americans” it suggests we were Jews first, are now in America, but will be somewhere else in the future, but will always be Jews. While we may happily live in America for a while (centuries, millenia, etc.), at some point in the future we will be elsewhere.April 9, 2015 5:36 pm at 5:36 pm #1071214
How twisted does your sinah have to be that assimilation is now called “Lucky”
We aren’t lucky that “they assimilate further they will no longer see themselves as at all connected to Judaism, and like most Americans, will leave us alone” It is a tragedy!
The Israelis are the lucky ones! Since they have less to assimilate into.
Shame on youApril 9, 2015 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm #1071215whats_in_a_nameMember
>The major source of anti-semitic slurs are assimilated Jews.
That’s quite a statement to make, isn’t it?April 9, 2015 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm #1071216zahavasdadParticipant
If you are rude and treat your neighbor as a subnhuman, Dont expect them to be so nice to you and if they are rude, Dont call it Anti-SemitismApril 9, 2015 8:25 pm at 8:25 pm #1071217nishtdayngesheftParticipant
You really should pull your head out of the sand. If were not anti-semitism, the comments would be directed solely at the perpetrators. By dint of painting everyone one by the actions of a minute minority proves that they are using this as a convenient excuse for expressing their bigotry.
And it is not only non Jews or non Orthodox who do this.April 9, 2015 9:29 pm at 9:29 pm #1071218zahavasdadParticipant
Yeah it was anti-semitism that people complained that people were hanging out at the 9/11 memorial in Haverstraw and treating it like a Jungle GymApril 11, 2015 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm #1071219
I just finished a temp/seasonal job working for Taglit-Birthright, where I not only convinced people to apply,but I also interviewed/screened applicants over the phone. You would all freak if you what I saw and heard.April 11, 2015 10:47 pm at 10:47 pm #1071220
I just finished a temp/seasonal job working for Taglit-Birthright, where I not only convinced people to apply,but I also interviewed/screened applicants over the phone. You would all freak if you saw and heard what I did.April 12, 2015 1:35 am at 1:35 am #1071221
ubiquitin: In America, most Jews gave up on mitsvos and assimilated inot the general population. After a few generations, they are clearly goyim who have some Jewish ancestors. They cease to be anti-semites. The problems American Jews (meaning frum Jews) have, tend to be from people who parents or grandparents “went off the derekh”. In Israel, the secular Jews continue to be vehemently opposed to Torah and Mitsvos, and will continue to do so – unless the leave. They continue to harass us.
It is the American Jews who are “lucky” since our enemies go away after a few generations.April 12, 2015 3:29 am at 3:29 am #1071222
“In America, most Jews gave up on mitsvos and assimilated into the general population. After a few generations, they are clearly goyim who have some Jewish ancestors”
There is nothing “Lucky” about this. This is a terrible tragedy, and it is troubling that you cant see this.
“They cease to be anti-semites.”
do you really need me to list anti-semites who do not have Jewish ancestors?April 12, 2015 3:59 am at 3:59 am #1071223
Yes, it is a terrible tragedy. It happened in the past. Unless you can borrow a Tardis and go back and change history, there is nothing to do about it. The goyim have a saying about “crying over spilt milk”
Suggest Americans who are making trouble for American Jews in the 21st century People opposed to bris milah, opposed to aid to Jewish schools, opposed to religious accomodations, etc. You find they are all related to persons who Hitler who have considered Jewish (and that includes President Obama). In the past there was a problem in America from Christians striving for a “Christian America” but that’s changed. Today almost all our problems come from secular Jews and their non-Jewish (halachically) descendants.April 12, 2015 12:07 pm at 12:07 pm #1071224
The churban also happned in the past I hope you still cry over “spilled milk”.
You mentioned hitler. To the best of my knowledge he wasnt jewish.
But I think we are going in circles as you are repeating the same nonsense over and over.
Let me get this straight as I understand you, in your opinion the rampant intermarriage and assimilation taking place in America is a good thing, or at the least not wirth crying over
Is this in fact your view?April 12, 2015 12:13 pm at 12:13 pm #1071225
A lot of the Birthright applicants I spoke to talked a lot about “Jewish Identity”. “I love being Jewish, this is who I am…” Kind of what I was brought up with as a conservative Jew. Its almost like I’m talking to a reflection of myself and where I was once. I’m now frum.
But many who I spoke to over the phone were mostly reform, conservative, or completely unaffiliated, and many not even halachically Jewish. Applicants don’t even have to be halachically Jewish to go on Birthright. Many who I spoke to grow up with 2 religions and were told they could pick whatever they want.
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