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    HockPurposesOnly
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    Is there anything wrong with music that doesn’t sound like classic jewish music? Obviously some styles are not ok like crazy rock or hip hop (although there is some good jewish hip hop like nissim black & shtar) but whats wrong with a nice inspiring or exciting song just because its not what people are used to hearing?

    #1141539
    sm29
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    I like different types of music, dance, rock, electronic, mellow, etc. I think it’s okay to have something out of the box that reaches people who like something different.The only thing i say to be careful of is where the tune comes from. If it comes from a dirty song, people might be thinking of that instead of the Jewish lyrics that replace it. But otherwise, it’s nice to have different music for different people

    #1141540
    CopyMachine
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    Neginah (the realm of music) is the highest level up in Shamayim.

    Music has the power to influence in tremendous ways, either for good or for bad. Think of the way your body wants to move when you hear different types of music. Do you want to dance in a Jewish manner? Or do you feel like you want to dance wild and uncontrolled in a non-aidel way.

    Does the music make you angry? Upset? Sad?

    Think of your reaction and if it is an apporpriate way for a Jew to act. Then you will know if the root is decent or not.

    Music holds incredibly strong power. We should NOT be listening to everything.

    #1141541
    habachur
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    Personally, I don’t think there is anything wrong with it. That is, if you dont mind burning in gehinom forever and ever. Music affects our neshama in a very unique way and I cant understand why you would be willing to compromise even slightly with he most important thing in the world!

    #1141542
    👑RebYidd23
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    Stealing a tune from goyim is stealing. Making a parody is legal, but using a tune without permission for an unrelated work is not.

    #1141543
    👑RebYidd23
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    Why is it compromising on music when you use goyish music? If Jewish people can compose good music, so can others.

    #1141544
    CopyMachine
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    There are so many levels of “good.”

    Yes, non Jews can be incredibly talented and compose music that is enchanting and delightful. But they can also cook pork and shrimp that are exquisitely flavorful.

    “Good” is a definition that one must define within a Jewish lens.

    Good is not solely a level of enjoyment; it is something that is beneficial for our neshamos.

    Good can be painful at times, like a bitter medication that a child must take to combat dreaded illness. Good is not always fun, but it is what we need, even if we don’t like it.

    So “good” music, in Jewish terms, is music that arrouses the neshama in closeness to Hashem, that causes one to do teshuvah.

    There is enjoyable music b’goyim, but usually not really GOOD music.

    (The exception to the rule is jewishly “good” music that came down through the rare non-Jew, like the Russian marches that were adopted by Chasidim. Sometimes, sparks of holiness are able to be accessed by talented composers, but only a truly Holy person will be able to tell you which songs fall into that criteria.)

    #1141545
    👑RebYidd23
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    That’s incredibly racist.

    #1141546
    CopyMachine
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    I am assuming that’s not what you actually meant…

    #1141547

    how many songs of todays generation from jewish singers are straight from the goyish singers with the words changed & they use jewish words?

    These songs are pure rocken music with a goyish taam & are destroying yiddishkeit & the kedusha of klal yisroel R”L.

    there’s a book someone put out of todays jewish music & what’s wrong with it & why it doesn’t belong in a jewish persons home or neshama

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/jews-listening-to-non-jewish-music

    #1141548
    👑RebYidd23
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    #1141549
    Sam2
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    CopyMachine: Why can’t a non-Jew write an uplifting and spiritually beneficial song?

    #1141550
    HockPurposesOnly
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    I’m talking about music that for some people will bring them closer to Hashem even if it sounds wild to other people (like Hashem Melech) as long as it doesn’t make you angry or want to do aveiros I don’t see the problem. And it doesn’t have to be taken from goyish tunes, there are plenty of talented frum people who can make different styles of music, the problem is there’s no market for it because a lot of people are close minded and won’t accept anything that doesn’t sound like its from the 1800’s. So people copy goyish songs because it’s a lot cheaper and faster than making original music. If only people were more open minded there would be a lot less teenagers listening to goyish music which often leads to a lot worse things.

    #1141551
    ocho sinco
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    Almost Sefardi music, like what’s sung at the shabbos table and during davening etc is taken directly from Arabic music down to the little nuances in the tunes.

    #1141552
    apushatayid
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    Please define classical Jewish music and describe how it sounds.

    #1141553
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    #1141554
    HockPurposesOnly
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    @apushatayid I said classic Jewish music not classical, meaning mainstream Jewish music which I hope I don’t have to describe to you.

    P.s. Yaakov shwekey is coming out with a new album later today

    #1141555

    HPO

    The problem is that even if the words are nice & words of praise to Hashem etc… its the songs rock & tune that make a persons attitude change & it affects people badly in their yiddishkeit & their Neshama. different kind of Music have different effects & almost all of it is bad effects

    WE CAN ALL AGREE that ALMOST ZERO music is spiritual/ruchnius i.e. a person singing just to thank & praise Hashem (unless its Shabbos zemiros etc…) but now we are talking about singers with SONGS TO ENJOY (so when a person can reach this high Madreiga of Singing praises to Hashem from his heart in gratitude-like the story below-then we can talk)

    i know a person that all day everywhere he walked or had a spear moment he always sang “Tov l’hodos L’Hashem….” i saw him singing sometimes & it was with such Simcha that he even sang it in english sometimes cause it came from his heart in thanks & unlimited Hakaras Hatov to Hashem for everything Hashem gives him/us etc….

    #1141556
    👑RebYidd23
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    How do you know this?

    #1141557
    HockPurposesOnly
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    if the music makes you happy and the words are good, then automatically it will make you want to be a better person because thats what happens when your’e in a good mood and for some people EDM is what makes them happy and someting like mbd makes them frustrated at judaism

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