Jewish music with english words=Goyish.
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July 16, 2019 1:49 pm at 1:49 pm #1759349LOTR92Participant
Public displays of stupidity welcome.July 16, 2019 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm #1759910YusselParticipant
I don’t know if it’s goyish but most jewish music produced today is not very good. it’s too loud, too beat-driven, and it’s all from a cookie-cutter mold designed to produce songs for weddings. There’s very little genuine creativity in modern jewish music because (like it’s secular conter-part) it’s designed to be sold as a commercial product to make money.July 16, 2019 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm #1759981mserenParticipant
based on your posts it seems not to be your religion either. What gives?July 16, 2019 2:53 pm at 2:53 pm #1759984WhatsaktomeParticipant
Why would English words make something goyish? As long as the tune is fine i don’t see a problem, and if anything the opposite is true, when the words are in english more ppl will understand which will make the song actually meaningfulJuly 16, 2019 3:22 pm at 3:22 pm #1760001Yserbius123Participant
@Yussel You are enferring that it was ever different? Sturgeon’s Law. Out of the gazillion Jewish songs that come out every month, a small handful are really good. Those will end up living on, being sung at kumzitzes and chasunas for generations. The rest will be forgotten.July 16, 2019 3:46 pm at 3:46 pm #1760109ubiquitinParticipant
If its not Yiddish its goyishJuly 16, 2019 3:46 pm at 3:46 pm #1760112YusselParticipant
yserbius12: In the days of The Rabbi’s Sons, Carlebach, etc. the music was not the way it is today. Even the early Mordechai ben David (i remember when we still called him by his name and not MBD) had more “soul” to it than what we hear today.July 16, 2019 4:04 pm at 4:04 pm #1760124akupermaParticipant
Are sure that the Jewish dialect of “Brooklynese” is still English, or is it a new dialect of English, similar to how the Jewish dialect of German became Yiddish. Note that most Jews considered Yiddish to be be German until World War II. So why isn’t “Judeo-English” a kosher Jewish language, just like Judeo-German and Judeo-Spanish
Or are you saying Jewish songs have to be in Hebrew, to the exclusion of Yiddish, Ladino, Aramaic, etc.July 16, 2019 4:04 pm at 4:04 pm #1760127WhatsaktomeParticipant
Some singers still have depth to they’re music, take avraham fried for example, most of his music has depth,July 16, 2019 4:34 pm at 4:34 pm #1760136☕️coffee addictParticipant
So Hashem Melech is more Jewish than journeys songs?July 16, 2019 4:37 pm at 4:37 pm #1760133lowerourtuition11210Participant
So you are going to claim a song like “Siyata Dishmaya” by Miami Boys Choir (1984) is goyish? or Avrohom Fried’s “no jew will be left behind”? or Mordechai Ben David’s “someday we will all be together”?July 16, 2019 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #1760233👑RebYidd23Participant
It’s not a Jewish song if it doesn’t have random Spanish thrown in for no reason.July 16, 2019 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm #1760309GadolhadorahParticipant
“…most jewish music produced today is not very good. it’s too loud, too beat-driven, and it’s all from a cookie-cutter mold designed to produce songs for weddings…..
So Yussel, if we were to redirect Jewish music composers away from their primary focus on chasunahs, you would only worsen the shidduch crisis since without such background noise, even fewer would be willing to incur a lifetime of debt and putting up with their machatonimJuly 17, 2019 8:15 am at 8:15 am #1760350Avi KParticipant
What about words in Creole German?July 17, 2019 8:17 am at 8:17 am #1760382
Abe Rotenberg ,
Come on and ride the train.
As non Jewish as can be. Right?
I think the title just got confused
It should say
Goyish music with Hebrew words = goyishJuly 17, 2019 8:17 am at 8:17 am #1760383
I actually meant
“come with me little neshamahleh”
But I got confused because they are so similar in message
Obviously according to the op a bad goyish messageJuly 18, 2019 8:40 pm at 8:40 pm #1761486Naftush-2Participant
The only truly Jewish music = leining.July 18, 2019 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm #1761524
You think the leviim in the bais hamikdash just sang the trop ?July 19, 2019 10:08 am at 10:08 am #1761618
Thank you modsJuly 19, 2019 10:31 am at 10:31 am #1761634LOTR92Participant
I fully agree, Music isn’t just for chasunas. I personally have trouble relaxing to Od Yeshama.November 7, 2019 6:53 am at 6:53 am #1798114
I think that the lyrics and or the intent of the song is what makes it Jewish.
Take for example Norman Greenbaum’s 1969 hit song, “Spirit in the Sky”. Greenbaum is an Orthodox Jew and if you listen to the lyrics it is very much not a Jewish song. However, Greenbaum’s intent was to express spiritualism and used Christian overtones to express it because it was more marektable.
If you were to take the song at the lyrics it is not a Jewish one. But if you take the intent of the song behind the lyrics knowing that Greenbaum is an Orthodox Jew, you can make a compelling argument that it is a Jewish song. To quote Greenbaum (i got this off his Wikipedia page),
Sometimes its hard to define what “Jewish” music is.November 10, 2019 8:58 pm at 8:58 pm #1799108☕️coffee addictParticipant
“I think that the lyrics and or the intent of the song is what makes it Jewish.“
So Hashem Melech from ohad (which’s time is straight from a Hispanic song is a “Jewish” song because the lyrics are Jewish?November 11, 2019 8:19 am at 8:19 am #1799223catch yourselfParticipant
Thanks for this thread, it’s really entertaining.November 11, 2019 11:57 am at 11:57 am #1799287GadolhadorahParticipant
If a big rebbe or even the most poishete yid has a melody in his mind and begins hunning if is that “yiddeshe music” . Does the individual have tovisualize lyrics from t’nach to make it legt?November 11, 2019 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #1799334lakewhutParticipant
There are Chabad songs in Russian. Are those goyish?November 11, 2019 1:32 pm at 1:32 pm #1799343chymeeParticipant
Name me any newish song that’s being sung at Chasunos over & over again & agagain at different Simchos, they’re all disposable songs, remember Yosis Olayich from Ben Zion Shenker? No Chasunos is going by without singing this,November 16, 2019 7:07 pm at 7:07 pm #1801197CJFParticipant
If the guy keeps Shabbos and is a torah-dika mensch I don’t see why notNovember 17, 2019 7:50 am at 7:50 am #1801293ZSKParticipant
@Burnt Steak – That may be the best comment on this thread yet.November 17, 2019 8:23 am at 8:23 am #1801326🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
Burnt steak – without arguing the point you made, and i don’tknow greenbaum, but i would not feel comfortable with the music from a Jew who is willing to speak of spirituality with christian overtones for any purpose, especially person gain. Its like telling me you composed a song on tehillim while using the bathroom, ch”v.
Side point, i did not read his wikki page but he was in a terrible car accident on a saturdsy afternoon several years back. Although i agree with your point above, this does not seem to be a good exampleNovember 18, 2019 9:41 pm at 9:41 pm #1801909Reb EliezerParticipant
In that case the Kalever Rebbe singing in hungarian would be goyish.November 18, 2019 10:35 pm at 10:35 pm #1801934pro geshmake yiddenParticipant
You’re all wrong
If music is Hebrew it’s tziyonish it’s even worse than English but English is worst
Lashon kodesh is too holy for regular people like you
His thread is a chilul hashem
And lashon hara
And leitzanusNovember 18, 2019 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm #1801958Yabia OmerParticipant
What about singing in Arabic about niflaot haboreh?November 19, 2019 5:51 am at 5:51 am #1801963
That’s very fair and you make a good point. I chose a extreme case to make my point and i wouldn’t necessarily think that Greenbaum’s song is actually Jewish, just that you can make the argument it is. I just wanted to point out that the definition of Jewish music is not so black and white.
Music has been intertwined with davening since at least the times of the Beis Hamikdash. I understand Jewish music to be anything that is meant to bring a person closer to Hashem by employing Jewish themes. The tunes don’t have to be Jewish. There are niggumin that are used in davening which originated as local songs. By putting the words of davening, Jews have elevated the music and made it Jewish music. I put much more weight in what the actual intent is behind the song than the vehicle that is used to construct the song.November 19, 2019 9:27 am at 9:27 am #1802040Zoomer From the futureParticipant
Music Bklal is Goyish and I havent seen an actual heter to listen nowadays.November 19, 2019 11:39 am at 11:39 am #1802050reform rabbiParticipant
If the singers and musicians are Jewish, then it’s Jewish music.
If not, then it’s not Jewish. It doesn’t matter what the origin of the tune is or what language the lyrics are. Jewish musicians = Jewish music. Goyish musicians = goyish music.November 19, 2019 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #1802307
Reform Rabbi I disagree with your statement that if the singers and musicians are Jewish then it is Jewish music. There are a few bands who all the members are Jewish that are clearly not making Jewish music.
HAIM is a band made up of 3 Jewish sisters. Their music is most definitely not Jewish. If anything its closer to indie rock.November 20, 2019 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #1802666pro geshmake yiddenParticipant
If non-kosher food is cooked by a Jew is it kosher?November 22, 2019 6:50 am at 6:50 am #1803297Shopping613 🌠Participant
Yiddish is goyish too.
If it’s not loshon hakodesh and directly from what the Leviim sang in the Beis Hamikdash – it’s definitely goyish.
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