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  • #1759349

    LOTR92
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    Discuss.
    Please entertain.
    Public displays of stupidity welcome.

    #1759910

    Yussel
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    I don’t know if it’s goyish but most jewish music produced today is not very good. it’s too loud, too beat-driven, and it’s all from a cookie-cutter mold designed to produce songs for weddings. There’s very little genuine creativity in modern jewish music because (like it’s secular conter-part) it’s designed to be sold as a commercial product to make money.

    #1759981

    mseren
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    #notmymusic

    based on your posts it seems not to be your religion either. What gives?

    #1759984

    Whatsaktome
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    Why would English words make something goyish? As long as the tune is fine i don’t see a problem, and if anything the opposite is true, when the words are in english more ppl will understand which will make the song actually meaningful

    #1760001

    Yserbius123
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    @yussel You are enferring that it was ever different? Sturgeon’s Law. Out of the gazillion Jewish songs that come out every month, a small handful are really good. Those will end up living on, being sung at kumzitzes and chasunas for generations. The rest will be forgotten.

    #1760109

    ubiquitin
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    If its not Yiddish its goyish

    #1760112

    Yussel
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    yserbius12: In the days of The Rabbi’s Sons, Carlebach, etc. the music was not the way it is today. Even the early Mordechai ben David (i remember when we still called him by his name and not MBD) had more “soul” to it than what we hear today.

    #1760124

    akuperma
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    Are sure that the Jewish dialect of “Brooklynese” is still English, or is it a new dialect of English, similar to how the Jewish dialect of German became Yiddish. Note that most Jews considered Yiddish to be be German until World War II. So why isn’t “Judeo-English” a kosher Jewish language, just like Judeo-German and Judeo-Spanish

    Or are you saying Jewish songs have to be in Hebrew, to the exclusion of Yiddish, Ladino, Aramaic, etc.

    #1760127

    Whatsaktome
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    Some singers still have depth to they’re music, take avraham fried for example, most of his music has depth,

    #1760136

    ☕️coffee addict
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    So Hashem Melech is more Jewish than journeys songs?

    #1760133

    So you are going to claim a song like “Siyata Dishmaya” by Miami Boys Choir (1984) is goyish? or Avrohom Fried’s “no jew will be left behind”? or Mordechai Ben David’s “someday we will all be together”?

    #1760233

    👑RebYidd23
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    It’s not a Jewish song if it doesn’t have random Spanish thrown in for no reason.

    #1760309

    Gadolhadorah
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    “…most jewish music produced today is not very good. it’s too loud, too beat-driven, and it’s all from a cookie-cutter mold designed to produce songs for weddings…..

    So Yussel, if we were to redirect Jewish music composers away from their primary focus on chasunahs, you would only worsen the shidduch crisis since without such background noise, even fewer would be willing to incur a lifetime of debt and putting up with their machatonim

    #1760350

    Avi K
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    What about words in Creole German?

    #1760382

    klugeryid
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    Abe Rotenberg ,
    Come on and ride the train.
    As non Jewish as can be. Right?

    I think the title just got confused
    It should say
    Goyish music with Hebrew words = goyish

    #1760383

    klugeryid
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    I actually meant
    “come with me little neshamahleh”
    But I got confused because they are so similar in message
    Obviously according to the op a bad goyish message

    #1761486

    Naftush-2
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    The only truly Jewish music = leining.

    #1761524

    klugeryid
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    Naftush,
    You think the leviim in the bais hamikdash just sang the trop ?

    #1761618

    klugeryid
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    Thank you mods

    #1761634

    LOTR92
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    Yussel,
    I fully agree, Music isn’t just for chasunas. I personally have trouble relaxing to Od Yeshama.

    #1798114

    Burnt Steak
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    I think that the lyrics and or the intent of the song is what makes it Jewish.

    Take for example Norman Greenbaum’s 1969 hit song, “Spirit in the Sky”. Greenbaum is an Orthodox Jew and if you listen to the lyrics it is very much not a Jewish song. However, Greenbaum’s intent was to express spiritualism and used Christian overtones to express it because it was more marektable.

    If you were to take the song at the lyrics it is not a Jewish one. But if you take the intent of the song behind the lyrics knowing that Greenbaum is an Orthodox Jew, you can make a compelling argument that it is a Jewish song. To quote Greenbaum (i got this off his Wikipedia page),

    Sometimes its hard to define what “Jewish” music is.

    #1799108

    ☕️coffee addict
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    “I think that the lyrics and or the intent of the song is what makes it Jewish.“

    So Hashem Melech from ohad (which’s time is straight from a Hispanic song is a “Jewish” song because the lyrics are Jewish?

    #1799223

    catch yourself
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    LOTR92

    Thanks for this thread, it’s really entertaining.

    #1799287

    Gadolhadorah
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    If a big rebbe or even the most poishete yid has a melody in his mind and begins hunning if is that “yiddeshe music” . Does the individual have tovisualize lyrics from t’nach to make it legt?

    #1799334

    lakewhut
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    There are Chabad songs in Russian. Are those goyish?

    #1799343

    chymee
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    Name me any newish song that’s being sung at Chasunos over & over again & agagain at different Simchos, they’re all disposable songs, remember Yosis Olayich from Ben Zion Shenker? No Chasunos is going by without singing this,

    #1801197

    CJF
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    If the guy keeps Shabbos and is a torah-dika mensch I don’t see why not

    #1801293

    ZSK
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    @Burnt Steak – That may be the best comment on this thread yet.

    #1801326

    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Burnt steak – without arguing the point you made, and i don’tknow greenbaum, but i would not feel comfortable with the music from a Jew who is willing to speak of spirituality with christian overtones for any purpose, especially person gain. Its like telling me you composed a song on tehillim while using the bathroom, ch”v.
    Side point, i did not read his wikki page but he was in a terrible car accident on a saturdsy afternoon several years back. Although i agree with your point above, this does not seem to be a good example

    #1801909

    Reb Eliezer
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    In that case the Kalever Rebbe singing in hungarian would be goyish.

    #1801934

    pro geshmake yidden
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    You’re all wrong
    If music is Hebrew it’s tziyonish it’s even worse than English but English is worst
    Lashon kodesh is too holy for regular people like you
    His thread is a chilul hashem
    And lashon hara
    And leitzanus

    #1801958

    Yabia Omer
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    What about singing in Arabic about niflaot haboreh?

    #1801963

    Burnt Steak
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    @syag
    That’s very fair and you make a good point. I chose a extreme case to make my point and i wouldn’t necessarily think that Greenbaum’s song is actually Jewish, just that you can make the argument it is. I just wanted to point out that the definition of Jewish music is not so black and white.

    Music has been intertwined with davening since at least the times of the Beis Hamikdash. I understand Jewish music to be anything that is meant to bring a person closer to Hashem by employing Jewish themes. The tunes don’t have to be Jewish. There are niggumin that are used in davening which originated as local songs. By putting the words of davening, Jews have elevated the music and made it Jewish music. I put much more weight in what the actual intent is behind the song than the vehicle that is used to construct the song.

    #1802040

    Music Bklal is Goyish and I havent seen an actual heter to listen nowadays.

    #1802050

    reform rabbi
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    If the singers and musicians are Jewish, then it’s Jewish music.
    If not, then it’s not Jewish. It doesn’t matter what the origin of the tune is or what language the lyrics are. Jewish musicians = Jewish music. Goyish musicians = goyish music.

    #1802307

    Burnt Steak
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    Reform Rabbi I disagree with your statement that if the singers and musicians are Jewish then it is Jewish music. There are a few bands who all the members are Jewish that are clearly not making Jewish music.

    HAIM is a band made up of 3 Jewish sisters. Their music is most definitely not Jewish. If anything its closer to indie rock.

    #1802666

    pro geshmake yidden
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    Reform Rabbi
    If non-kosher food is cooked by a Jew is it kosher?

    #1803297

    Shopping613 🌠
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    Yiddish is goyish too.
    If it’s not loshon hakodesh and directly from what the Leviim sang in the Beis Hamikdash – it’s definitely goyish.

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