September 15, 2021 1:17 pm at 1:17 pm #2008216
About the same time later today as most yidden will be gathering in shul for Kol Nidre, a yid named Jared Isaacman from New Jersey will be getting closer to beis din shel maalah aboard the spacecraft Resilience, which will be launched atop a Falcon 9 rocket from NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida. It will orbit the Earth for three days at an altitude of 335 miles (about 80 miles higher than the orbit of the International Space Station) at a speed of about 17,150 miles per hour or about five miles per second. Isaacman, is a 38 YO self-made billionaire who purchased all four seats on the spacecraft from Elon Musk’s SpaceX company for an undisclosed amount of money.
While I wish Reb Isaacman and his 3 astronaut chevrah a safe flight and return, I’m hoping for a weather delay in the countdown so they can’t launch until after motzi yom tov tomorrow evening.September 15, 2021 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm #2008248
He probably thought he doesn’t need to keep Yom Kippur if he leaves before then because תורה לא בשמים היאSeptember 17, 2021 10:49 am at 10:49 am #2008544hujuParticipant
Maybe the space Jew just wants to keep away from COVID.
And why can he not daven while orbiting the Earth?September 17, 2021 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #2008582Little FroggieParticipant
He’s supposed to fast 5.3 seconds?September 17, 2021 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm #2008592Reb EliezerParticipant
The Chasam Sofer forbids traveling in a steamboat on shabbos as with its movement he violates the positive commandment of shaboson, resting.September 17, 2021 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #2008649
And why can he not daven while orbiting the Earth?
Mizrach while in orbit is always the same??September 19, 2021 9:06 am at 9:06 am #2008882
@Godalthora, you are always buzy with chillul hashem, this is prima facie chillul hashem when a Jew vilolates YK in public, why glorify it?September 19, 2021 9:57 am at 9:57 am #2008922
> Chasam Sofer forbids traveling in a steamboat on shabbos
Raban Gamliel did, sans the steam engine. What is the difference?
Furthermore, it took weeks to get from Europe to America before Lindbergh – did no follower of Chasam Sofer come here? Maybe there are some conditions for this psak – leisure or when other forms of travel are available?September 19, 2021 9:57 am at 9:57 am #2008924
Give the guys their due – they figured out that it is easier to travel on Yom Kippur than on Sukkos. Drilling holes was not approved. You can say that cold temperature outside is enough of an exemption.
On the other hand, if the whole capsule lives for less than a week, can it qualify as a temporary dwelling?September 19, 2021 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm #2009015
I don’t think Gadolhadorah was glorifying it I thought it was being made fun ofSeptember 19, 2021 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #2009031
“Isaacman, is a 38 YO self-made billionaire who purchased all four seats on the spacecraft from Elon Musk’s SpaceX company for an undisclosed amount of money.
While I wish Reb Isaacman and his 3 astronaut chevrah a safe flight and return”
sure sounds like praise to me, would he have made this comment about some none frum eating a pork sandwich on YK?September 19, 2021 8:58 pm at 8:58 pm #2009054
“would he have made this comment about some none frum eating a pork sandwich on YK?“
If it was in the news
ProbablySeptember 19, 2021 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #2009073
Common Saychel: Sorry you are having a bad day (or days)…no one was “praising” a chilul hashem or whatever else you seem to be fixated on.
I suspect 99 percent of CR readers understood exactly what I was saying…aka There are 4 quite extraordinary individuals, each who has accomplished a lot more in their lives than your or I might aspire to and one happens to be non-observant yid. I wished him and the others a “safe flight” while simultaneously expressing the hope their launch would have been delayed until after a tkiah gadolah. Well, happily for all, it was tzeischem lasholom v’boachem lasholom and they returned to earth safely motzi shabbos. Hashgacha paratis aside, the ribbono shel olam was willing to overlook their flight schedule (as best we can tell for now).September 20, 2021 12:38 am at 12:38 am #2009093maskildoreshParticipant
I take exception to the language
“The RBSHO was willing to overlook etc”
Humility and Yiras Shamayim , I think should preclude speaking for the RBSHO on such matters. And the language “overlook” is unseeming.
I also take exception to the accolade :
“Extraordinary individual who has accomplished a lot more than you or me in life etc who just so happens to be a non-observant yid”
Perilous waters, methinks.
One wonders whether GadolHatorahs yardstick for success is, indeed, the Torah’s….September 20, 2021 8:37 am at 8:37 am #2009134
For the last time, this was a thread regarding a major news item that happened to involve a yid and yom kippur. All four have achieved great success in secular matters. This was a light hearted reference that although I wished them all a safe trip, I would hope events would result in his having a Sandy Kaufax moment and delaying the launch until after Yom Kippur.) (I’m sure most CR readers are intimately familiar with the 1965 world series but for the few who may have forgotten, in 1965, Sandy Koufax decided at the last minute not to pitch in Game One of the World Series because it was Yom Kippur and instead Don Drysdale pitched for the LA Dodgers, and he gave up seven runs in 2 innings).
No one in “glorifying” Issacman’s decision to launch on shabbos, nor was I promoting kafirah by noting that the R’SO allowed their flight to be safely completed. And YES, I am fully respectful of the achievements a yid may achieve both in spiritual and secular matters. While these are totally separate and not mutually exclusive, each of us has our own metrics. Those who achieve success in both, certainly warrant kudos.
I also note that at the same time we are having this exchange, segments of the frum media are running stories with photos of a former chazar-eating, mechallel shabbos, yarmulkaless politician current being tried for felonies showing up at the kosel with a kipah for kol nidre as if this was some big kiddush hashem (since he was NOT also smoking one of the expensive cigars he was accused of having illegally accepted).September 20, 2021 8:53 am at 8:53 am #2009146
1. I am having a great day, I love the fact that yiddin are busy building sukkas standing jowl to jowl picking out arba menim, will dance with the torah. etc etc
2. Nowhere in the post is you write the accomplishment of the passengers other then mentioning that the renter is a self made billionaire and frankly I not busy with peoples publicty stunts.
3. I agree with the last comment of what the yardstick of success is.September 20, 2021 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm #2009195nishtdayngesheftParticipant
“I also note that at the same time we are having this exchange, segments of the frum media are running stories with photos of a former chazar-eating, mechallel shabbos, yarmulkaless politician current being tried for felonies showing up at the kosel with a kipah for kol nidre as if this was some big kiddush hashem (since he was NOT also smoking one of the expensive cigars he was accused of having illegally accepted).”
I am unfamiliar with the story you are referring to, I am pretty sure that a good part of it is fabricated. Even if it was reported, that does not mean it was reported as a kidduch hashem.
However, someone going to daven us a kiddush hashem, regardless of his other shortcomings.
Being mechallel yom kippur befarhesia is a chillul hashem, regardles if the person is a billionaire. And glorifying it as you you continue to do, is also a prime example of a chilul hashem.
A limud zchus is that the gemara brings amoraim that said what would be considered for them a chilul hashem would be even a slight matter, because they are looked up to. I think you may gat a slight slide on your comments because the contrary is true with you.September 20, 2021 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm #2009193nishtdayngesheftParticipant
“Give the guys their due – they figured out that it is easier to travel on Yom Kippur than on Sukkos. Drilling holes was not approved. You can say that cold temperature outside is enough of an exemption.
On the other hand, if the whole capsule lives for less than a week, can it qualify as a temporary dwelling?”
While find that a yoitze laderech is patur from Succah, we find no such heter for yom kippur. , you really need to ask better questions.September 20, 2021 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #2009219Reb EliezerParticipant
The Tiferes Yanoson from Rebbi Yonasan Eubshutz explains the dor haflaga, who wanted to build a tower upon which the air is light and from there fly a spaceship to the moon, to escape another flood, as they knew the moon is a place which can be inhabitat.September 20, 2021 6:36 pm at 6:36 pm #2009227
nisht, you have a point. Except these guys are not really going anywhere, they landed on the same planet they started! Would you be patur min Hasukkah if you decide to run marathon around your town?
Anyway, travelling “hutz laaretz” is definitely taking a new meaning.September 22, 2021 8:59 pm at 8:59 pm #2009250
@GH, “segments of the frum media are running stories with photos of a former chazar-eating, mechallel shabbos, yarmulkaless politician current being tried for felonies showing up at the kosel with a kipah for kol nidre ”
FYI it was nilah not kolnidrai, and he walked to the kosel and was not michaal YK bfrasyah, and Hashem will always take some teshuah.
PS he has charadi GrandchildrenSeptember 22, 2021 10:22 pm at 10:22 pm #2009419
CS: Thanks for pointing out that he walked to neilah. Also great to know that his Ayniklakh have gone OTD (Bibi’s Derech that is) and are frum.September 23, 2021 10:56 am at 10:56 am #2009507anonymous JewParticipant
Reb Eliezer, I hope you don’t mind I don’t take your dor haflaga comment literallySeptember 24, 2021 1:33 am at 1:33 am #2009798
> have gone OTD
Read Bibi’s father insightful book about Abarbanel where he concludes that however painful it was for Ab. to miss the upcoming signs of expulsion, at the end, he would probably not be able to save the day anyway against the tide, but his later work encouraged the expelled Jews to find strength to continue. (some of the description parallels times in Bibi’s reign where he could not stop the tide, but persevered anyway ..). So, the family road has a direction.
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