Jews are way too comfortable in America !
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November 24, 2020 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #1922792
Jews in America need to wake up !November 24, 2020 9:30 pm at 9:30 pm #1922812
Very true. The same applies to most Jews in Israel. We need to remember we are in golus everywhere.
The places where the most and best Torah emanated was from Jewish communities in financially poor regions.November 24, 2020 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm #1922820akupermaParticipant
It is easy to be comfortable in a place where most anti-semitism comes from a political organization dominated by frei Jews, who themselves are very marginalized in the overall political system (e.g. Chuck Schumer and his party are only big in a few regions, but someone like him will never be have any real power).
It is easy to be comfortable in a country where religious toleration is deeply ingrained in the national psyche.
Should I mention that three groups have tried to destroy us in the last century (the Nazis, the Communists, and the radical Islamic movement), and it was the Americans, who themselves weren’t really threatened, and went out and defeated our enemies. When we see the history of America, we say proof of Ha-Shem manipulating history to save us.November 24, 2020 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm #1922828
In order Meshiach should come, we must miss his coming and realize that we are strangers in strange land otherwise we are kept in galus until we arrive to this recognition.November 24, 2020 10:45 pm at 10:45 pm #1922827
Well we’re in America for Quite some time already somethings bound to happen sooner or later !November 25, 2020 8:21 am at 8:21 am #1922864rationalParticipant
It’s odd to write that one is to comfortable in a land where one is unfamiliar with the national language.November 25, 2020 8:23 am at 8:23 am #1922889Sam KleinParticipant
How can we expect Mashiach to come when we are so comfortable and happy with the way of our lives that we are not properly mourning for the churban habayis which begs for the coming of Mashiach. In order for a person to receive ANYTHING from Hashem he needs to do more than just daven and say Tehillim with asking Hashem for help, HE NEEDS TO YEARN FOR IT AND DESIRE IT but let’s all face the truth were not yearning for the coming of Mashiach like the way we should be. Were so happy with our lives in Golus R”L we have everything we need from planes to cars and computers and smartphones etc…. The minute klal yisroel starts to YEARN for Mashiach like a child begging his parent for something he desires wholeheartedly then Mashiach will come
May it come to happen very soon with serious teshuva and achdus ASAP together with realizing what we are missing out as we all remain in Golus R”LNovember 25, 2020 8:58 am at 8:58 am #1922955rationalParticipant
Or, maybe the Moshiach is waiting for us to actually do something instead of simply yearning like a child for candy. Maybe something like living in Eretz Yisrael and contributing to society while living there.November 25, 2020 10:05 am at 10:05 am #1922961flowersParticipant
“In order for a person to receive ANYTHING from Hashem he needs to do more than just daven and say Tehillim with asking Hashem for help, HE NEEDS TO YEARN FOR IT AND DESIRE IT”
Most of what a person receives from Hashem is matnas chinam, simply a gift that we don’t necessarily deserve. Davening and/or saying tehillim is not a “just”. It is EVERYTHING. Yes, there are other things a person can do, but davening and saying tehillim for what we want or need is extremely powerful and will always always help (even if we don’t always see it).
If you were only talking about yearning for moshiach and not other things (though you used the word ANYTHING, so it doesn’t seem so), tefillah is called avodah she’b’lev and that means desiring it. As for being too comfortable to really yearn for moshiach, that I agree with you, even though I think that most people’s lives are not perfect and everyone needs a yeshua for something, so I am certain that everyone yearns for the coming of Moshiach at least sometimes.November 25, 2020 10:05 am at 10:05 am #1922962
rational, see the Aim Habonim Samecha Shaar 3 from tbe Yerushalmi and Tosfas Yom Tov on the Mishna Maaser Sheni (5,2) to build the Beis Hamikdash before the coming of Meshiach. The Satmar Rav ztz’l says that Eliyah Hanovi must come and tell us first how to build it as Melachim contradicts Yechezkal.November 25, 2020 10:06 am at 10:06 am #1922963Slimshim1Participant
I absolutely agree with you prophet. We are way too comfortable. We can definitely be turned on. It has started already with the rise of white supremacy. They are the number 1 cause of terrorism in the country right now.November 25, 2020 10:12 am at 10:12 am #1922967
rational: Nothing will make Moshiach come faster than increasing the amount of time we spend learning Torah.November 25, 2020 10:14 am at 10:14 am #1922975🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
I strongly disagree. Nothing has caused more destruction than frum jews getting sucked in to american culture de jour and forfeiting the yiddeshkeir of their future generations. We are eating ourselves up from within.November 25, 2020 10:14 am at 10:14 am #1922968
Yeah, Jews should not be comfortable in America. We should go some place safe, like Germany, or anywhere else in Europe, Africa, or Asia. Have there been any anti-Semitic incidents in Antarctica? Just bring that heavy wool talis.November 25, 2020 10:15 am at 10:15 am #1922969BaltimoreMavenParticipant
No need to speculate. The gemors discusses the delay in Moshiach etc. See for example Sanhedrin 97bNovember 25, 2020 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm #1923017meir GParticipant
i am missing something? i read all 15 posts and cant figure out what the author wants ? what is he referring to , what does he mean by comfortable? what would you like me to do differently on a practical level?November 25, 2020 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #1923049Slimshim1Participant
ujm – and working on our midos and doing small acts of kindness to others. Being the best parent, sibling, spouse and child. Being honest. Focus on unity and not division etc… Love our neighbors.
It’s not just learning Torah.November 25, 2020 3:38 pm at 3:38 pm #1923061Avram in MDParticipant
The OP didn’t say anything about leaving the U.S. Is your position that Jews should feel comfortable in America? If so, can you elaborate?November 25, 2020 3:38 pm at 3:38 pm #1923066Avram in MDParticipant
“It’s not just learning Torah.”
False dilemma – ujm didn’t say anything about favoring Torah over chessed, good middos, etc. That said, our Torah and our faith in Hashem is our lifeblood. It is what has kept us alive as a united nation full of chessed and good middos despite thousands of years of people trying to destroy us body and soul.November 25, 2020 4:36 pm at 4:36 pm #1923092akupermaParticipant
TheProphet: Our principle enemies in America are the secular Jews, and they are dying out. The have proven unable to reproduce, and are rapidly again out of existence (which may explain their concern with Covid19, a disease the generally kills old people). With them out of the picture, while overall anti-religious feelings might affect us, it won’t be directed against us and will not be a serious problem.November 26, 2020 7:45 am at 7:45 am #1923211Sam KleinParticipant
On a practical level how about for a few examples.
at least at the times when we are in the midst of ruchnius like davening and learning Torah etc…. Leave your cell phone in a locker outside the Bais medrash and give the shul and Hashem the proper kavod it deserves without any disturbance in middle of talking to Hashem the king of kings ruler of the world.
At least when it is the proper time of mourning for the churban habayis which is on Tisha Bav (or focusing on teshuva on Yom Kippur which is a special day set aside to just focus on repentance) let’s not be looking at our clocks how much longer until we can get up from the floor and go back to sitting on a couch? (Or on yom kippur the holiest day of the year how much longer until that short break between mussaf and Mincha) the point is that today on Tisha Bav as I sit on the floor mourning over the churban habayis I beg Hashem to just forgive klal yisroel and bring the Mashiach I’ll even fast a full extra day and this is my focus right now as I mourn for the churban habayis. (On yom kippur I just beg Hashem to please forgive me for my sins of this past year-everyone sins and no one is perfect-and if I have a break before mincha grab the opportunity and say some extra Tehillim to beg Hashem for a complete forgiveness from this past year)
May we all do serious teshuva and achdus ASAP together as a nation so Mashiach can come alreadyNovember 26, 2020 7:47 am at 7:47 am #1923235Avi KParticipant
The Meshech Chochma (Vayikra 26:44) says:
“If the Jew thinks that Berlin is Jerusalem … then a raging storm wind will uproot him by his trunk and subject him before a faraway gentile nation… a tempest will arise and spread its roaring waves, and swallow, and destroy, and flood forth without pity. Therefore, you will not be calm, nor shall there be a resting place for the sole of your foot is a blessing, for as long as the Jewish People are uncomfortable in exile, they will yearn to return to their homeland.”
The same goes for Brooklyn, Monsey and Lakewood. Galut and geula are not black and white. The geula comes slowly in stages (Yerushalmi, Berachot 1:1). The Zohar says that each 1,000 years of Creation are parallel to one day of the week. That means that we are now in Mincha Gedola of erev Shabbat.November 26, 2020 9:36 am at 9:36 am #1923291
The Meshech Chichma lived his entire life in Lithuania. His reference to Berlin was regarding the Reform throwing out waiting for Moshiach and deciding they’ll never be a Geula and thus becoming more German than the Germans.November 26, 2020 10:02 am at 10:02 am #1923317
Look at the Klei Yokor in Devorim on Penu lochem tzafana, being hidden in galus and not to show of infront of the goyim with fancy houses causing jealousy. This was also the reason that the time of the redemption was withheld from Yaakov Avinu. When they know it will not happen in their time, the coming of Meshiach will be forgotten (Klei Yokor in the beginning of Vaychi). Shibud mitzraim came about for this very reason (Klei Yokor at the end of Vaygash). Some say the holocaust happened also for this reason. The germans became jealous of the jewish extravagant living, put them to work to weaken them, if able to, otherwise annihilated them.November 26, 2020 4:05 pm at 4:05 pm #1923450
There are lots of Jews that think that nothing can happen to us in the US cause we have constitutional rights , Jewish politicians , big Jewish organizations, and we’re pretty powerful in our established community’s . All I’m trying to say is all these things mean nothing and when we get to comfortable is usually when Hashem sends something to wake us up and remind us we’re in גלות .November 26, 2020 4:05 pm at 4:05 pm #1923453
Firstly let’s not call them our enemy !
Secondly your practically right if all the secular Jews were to stop bothering us or bothering others which leads to hating them plus us frum jews we would indeed be left alone , but that’s very unlikely to happen , regardless there still the עישב שונא ליעקבthing .November 26, 2020 11:19 pm at 11:19 pm #1923583charliehallParticipant
“we’re in America for Quite some time”
346 years and counting.November 26, 2020 11:22 pm at 11:22 pm #1923584charliehallParticipant
“unfamiliar with the national language.”
The United States does not have and has never had an official national language. The US has the largest English speaking population in the world but it also has the second largest Spanish speaking poulation in the world. (Mexico is #1.)November 29, 2020 11:06 am at 11:06 am #1924080
To charlieha the second: I think India has a bigger population of English speakers than the US, but I am not sure.November 29, 2020 8:37 pm at 8:37 pm #1924246
Re huju’s estimate of English speakers in India: I checked, and he is wrong. India has about 125 million English speakers, out of a population of about of more than a billion people.November 29, 2020 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #1924253🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
Did you mean to post that from a different account?
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