January 30, 2022 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm #2056063ParticipantParticipant
He’s the 45th.
BidenJanuary 30, 2022 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #2056068ujmParticipant
Grover Cleveland was both the 22nd and the 24th president. He is counted twice since his two terms were non-consecutive.
Just like Donald Trump can be both the 45th and the 47th president.January 30, 2022 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #2056072moishekapoiehParticipant
grover cleveland was elected twice, but his second term was after a different presidentJanuary 30, 2022 3:18 pm at 3:18 pm #2056093Commonsense1Participant
Grover Cleveland is counted twice cause his two terms weren’t consecutive one after they other. 22&24
#historyclass!January 30, 2022 3:18 pm at 3:18 pm #2056086hujuParticipant
To the OP: You listed Cleveland only once, he served one term after Benjamin Harrison in addition to one term before Benjamin Harrison. He is commonly counted as the 22nd and 24th president. That may or not make sense, but that is how the historians count presidents.January 30, 2022 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #2056108ujmParticipant
I always knew that after much hard work of making convincing and historically and factually accurate comments, that I would finally be able to count huju as one of my legends of followers who agree with my posts.January 30, 2022 5:01 pm at 5:01 pm #2056110RebYid613Participant
YaJanuary 30, 2022 5:03 pm at 5:03 pm #2056119TS BaumParticipant
In reality, he is the 45th person who was elected (if he was actaully elected) president. But when you count them formally, he is 46th, as everyone felt the need to express the answer in their own way, that grover cleveland was president twice non-consecutively.January 30, 2022 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm #2056142GadolhadorahParticipant
Well, if you listen to the crazy pillow guy, Trump is still the President so Biden doesn’t even count.
Better factoid….did you know that originally, the President and VP candidates ran separately
and the presidential candidate who received the most electoral votes won the presidency; the runner-up became the vice president. In 1796, this meant that the president and the vice president (Adams and Jefferson) were from different parties and had quite different political views to say the least. The adoption of 12th Amendment presumably solved this problem by allowing each party to nominate their “team” for president and vice president.”
Sadly, as the Trumpkopf discovered, the constitution does NOT guarantee that the VP must be a “team player” with respect to certifying their “reelection”January 30, 2022 8:16 pm at 8:16 pm #2056140LostsparkParticipant
He’s not regardless.January 30, 2022 9:58 pm at 9:58 pm #2056207Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
The only team-player VP in recent years was Dick Cheney. Pence tried, but had a difficult boss. All others for the last 40 years were used to win elections and then sent to pasture.January 31, 2022 9:18 am at 9:18 am #2056282anIsraeliYidParticipant
TS Baum – you are incorrect that Biden is the 45th person elected president – he is only the 41st.
Presidents James Tyler, Andrew Johnson, Chester Arthur, and Gerald Ford were never elected president, and in fact, Ford was never even elected vice-president.
an Israeli YidJanuary 31, 2022 9:19 am at 9:19 am #2056283GadolhadorahParticipant
AAQ: In a number of STATES, the Governor and Lt Gov/AG run on separate lines so we frequently have the AG refusing to defend the Governor’s legal position on a new law or executive order the AG of the other party deems “unconstitutional”. We also have the relatively new practice of state legislatures hiring outside counsel to defend previously enacted laws where the incoming governor or AG won’t defend. However, the Lt. Governor in most states is relatively powerless except under weird circumstances.
For example, in Idaho, there are two right-wing Republican crazies serving as Governor/Lt. Gov. When the Gov (the more “moderate” of the two) went out of town, the acting Governor (aka the Lt. Gov) issued emergency executive orders revoking the real Governor’s executive orders on stuff like masks, etc). When the real governor returned home, he “reversed the reversals”. After two or three rounds of this circus, he simply stopped telling the Ltl Governor when he was heading to the airport.January 31, 2022 9:58 am at 9:58 am #2056324
What about Nelson Rockefeller was never elected Vice President?January 31, 2022 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm #2056363
When Spiro Agnew resigned, Nixon appointed Gerard Ford as his Vice President. When Richard Nixon resigned, Ford became President and appointed Nelson Rockefeller as his Vice President. When running again, Ford dropped Rockefeller for Bob Dole and lost the election to Jimmy Carter, so Ford was never elected President or Vice President.January 31, 2022 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #2056455WolfishMusingsParticipant
In reality, he is the 45th person who was elected
I’m afraid that’s not true. He’s the 45th person to serve in the office.
The following people were never elected President, yet served in the office:
Chester A. Arthur
It should be noted that Ford was never elected to the Presidency or the Vice Presidency.
The WolfJanuary 31, 2022 5:46 pm at 5:46 pm #2056453ParticipantParticipant
You guys might know history, but your linguistic skills need practice.
Good thing you frequent the coffee room.
You may have noticed that this thread (as of now) says “12” in the voices (a reference to “posters”) column, but “15” in the posts. That, even though ujm and GH both have multiple, non-successive posts. Interruption doesn’t turn someone into another person, and it doesn’t turn them into a different president.January 31, 2022 6:36 pm at 6:36 pm #2056469
If the President sits in consecutive terms in the Oval Office, he is not counted, however, as long as he sits newly (not in the previous term) even not elected is counted.
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