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    mw13
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    From Arutz Sheva:

    An interfaith prayer session will be held by rabbis and sheikhs at the Gush Etzion junction on Sunday evening, in light of the arson attack on a Palestinian family in the Palestinian Authority (PA) village of Duma.

    The Shorashim organization, as well as Rabbi David Stav and Rabbi Shlomo Riskin from Ohr Torah Stone, initiated the rally for the Dawabsha’s family recovery.

    Participants, so far, include Rabbi Yoel Bin Nun, Rabbi Mordechai Vardi, Rabbi Dov Singer, Rabbi Yaakov Meidan, Rabbi Yaakov Nagan, Rebbetzin Michal Nagan, Rebbetzin Hadassah Froman, Rabbi Benjamin Kalmanzon, Rabbi SarEl Rosenblatt and Rabbi Hanan Schlesinger, as well as Sheikhs Ali Abu Awad and Ibrahim Abu Al Hawa.

    “We must loudly denounce these [types of] events,” said Rabbi Shlomo Riskin. “The man who committed a terrible thing is a terrorist in every respect, and he deserves punishment in accordance with the law.”

    “The Temple, which was destroyed on Tisha B’Av, was a symbol of justice, mercy, and honesty,” he continued. “When we lose our moral standards, we lose our holiness.”

    “The essential goal of the State of Israel is to be a light unto the nations and serve as a compass of justice and morality to the world, and if we do not make full efforts to fulfill that mission, we do not deserve a state.”

    Rabbi Riskin and CEO Yinon Ahiman sent a letter to the rabbis and students in the Ohr Torah Stone network Sunday calling for their participation in the rally.

    “We are hurt and shocked by the heinous murder committed in the name of our people on Friday morning,” the letter stated. “Out of a sense of duty we must cry out our protest against the criminal murder in the village of Duma.”

    Thoughts?

    #1117604

    TheGoq
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    Great idea we should build bridges and condemn nut jobs like the price taggers and the parade stabber.

    #1117605

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Why an interfaith prayer service? Make a joint protest rally.

    #1117606

    mw13
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    I fully agree that we must condemn the deranged individuals behind the recent spate of heinous attacks. These monsters are not “extremists”; they are murderers, and must be treated as such. We must make it absolutely clear to the world that these terrorists and their actions do not in any way represent us or our ideals.

    But is this really an appropriate way to express that sentiment?

    Should Jews be joining, let alone organizing, inter-faith prayer?

    #1117607

    👑RebYidd23
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    Inter-faith prayer doesn’t work for anyone. Every religion believes the others are wrong.

    #1117608

    TheGoq
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    I hear what your saying DY and mw how about a joint memorial service for the the murdered child that way we can show we care without it being a religious event.

    #1117609

    yehudayona
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    Memorial services almost always involve prayer.

    #1117610

    DikDukDuck
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    Interfaith prayers: So the involved are praying to Hashem and chas voshalom to idols too? Probably not.

    #1117611

    zogt_besser
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    I agree with DY that a protest rally should’ve been the way to go. Even so, “interfaith prayers” between Jews and Muslims aren’t obviously assur. I know Rav Ovadia writes that it’s muttar to daven in a mosque. I’m not sure if he’d extend that to actually praying with Muslims at the same time, though. Is there any rayah one way or another?

    #1117613

    BarryLS1
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    When did we ever see the same response from the Arabs after a Jews is harmed?

    The problem I have with this whole situation is that there is no proof at all this crime was committed by Jews. Arabs know how to write Hebrew too,

    Also, the report from a Jew who went to offer condolences to the family said:

    1. He found out that there was a blood feud between this family and another Arab family living nearby.

    2. The house in question was deep into the community, making it illogical for an outsider to have committed the crime.

    #1117614

    zahavasdad
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    Islam is not Avodah Zorah, You are allowed to go into a Mosque (Maarat Hamachpelah is a Mosque)

    #1117615

    mw13
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    zdad, Islam is not avodah zarah for goyim, who only have to recognize that there is one God (which Christianity may or may not do). However, it is certainly avodah zara for Jews – you cannot believe in the Mohammed.

    #1117616

    zogt_besser
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    Well the Tzitz Eliezer disagrees, but for sefaradim it is okay.

    #1117617

    nishtdayngesheft
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    ZD,

    No one said it is avodah zara. However, just because it’s not avodah zara, it does not mean it is mutar to have a prayer service with them.

    #1117618

    rabbiofberlin
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    mw13 and others: you are mistaken. Check “Igeres Teiman” from the Rambam. Clearly, Islam is not considered “avoda zarah’ for anyone. Islam recognizes one G-d for all, hence it is not avodah zarah. Mohammed is their prophet and has nothing to do with the deity they believe in.

    X-anity is different as it has some aspects of “shituf’,which is certainly “avodah zarah” for Jews but not necessarily for others.

    #1117619

    Sam2
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    zogt: That Tzitz Eliezer is an absolute Pele. The Rabbeinu Yonah that he quoted was rejected by the Rishonim as a minority opinion and the Tzitz Eliezer quoted it L’ma’aseh without even mentioning the Rambam. Tzarich Iyun what the real question was there.

    #1117620

    zogt_besser
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    Sam2: You’re right that it’s surprising. Tzitz Eliezer quotes the Ran who says that Islam is a”z because muslims bow down to their leaders, even though they don’t consider them gods. This shitah does go against Rambam and seems counter-intuitive to what a”z actually is… but which other rishonim reject the Ran as a daas yochid?

    #1117621

    BarryLS1
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    rabbiofberlin: You’re correct, except for one thing. Islam didn’t have child sacrifice in those days.

    #1117622

    Chortkov
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    When a Muslim would prostrate himself in the street to Daven, the Maharil Diskin wouldn’t walk within 4 Amos, as is the Halachah regarding one who is davening Shmoine Esrei – because he said the Shchinah was there during thier Tfillos.

    Yishmoel has the Koach of Tefillah like we do. We daven to the same God, and although our religions are diametrically opposed, we still have very much in common with them.

    This is the reason why Golus Yishmoel isn’t recognized in the 4 Golius – the other 4 are battles with our antagonists. Eisav is ?? ????? ??; neither can live while the other survives. We are always in a see-saw matzav where one will profit through the other’s degradation.

    Yishmoel is not our antagonists, however, they are our competitors. And they often, unfortunately, do our job better than we do it.

    #1117623

    Sam2
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    zogt: I’ll have to search for Mekoros. I know I’ve seen some that reject him explicitly but everyone’s implicit rejection by just quoting the Rambam also says a lot.

    #1117624

    crispandrefreshing
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    “When a Muslim would prostrate himself in the street to Daven, the Maharil Diskin wouldn’t walk within 4 Amos, as is the Halachah regarding one who is davening Shmoine Esrei – because he swas there during thier Tfillos.”

    source??

    i find it hard to believe because the din is only by shmone esrai and first passuk of shema , it’s not mistaber a muslims tefilah can be better then all other teffilos of ours.

    the basic idea of a joint prayer gathering is to say that jews and muslims are the same and equel – which is false!

    #1117625

    👑RebYidd23
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    The idea is not about equality, it’s about unity, which is a separate concept.

    #1117626

    crispandrefreshing
    Participant

    unity- the state of being united or joined as a whole.

    that’s a lot worse and kineged everything we believe in

    #1117627

    👑RebYidd23
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    It’s not kineged everything we believe in.

    #1117628

    mw13
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    #1117629

    charliehall
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    “Tzitz Eliezer quotes the Ran who says that Islam is a”z because muslims bow down to their leaders, even though they don’t consider them gods.”

    Prof. Marc Shapiro proved that that Ran is not by the Ran. There simply is NO real reliable Jewish source that says that Islam is idolatry.

    #1117630

    The reform rabbi has made his shul into a place of a. Zahra although it already is always a reform an Zahra. Muslims bowing down in a reform shul to their god

    #1117631

    mw13
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