April 27, 2009 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm #589715
I have recently received “Gedolim Stories” via email that were refuted in subsequent emails. It could be that the original story was somewhat true or it was completely made up. Here is a story and rebuttal:
David Seidman a divorce lawyer from Lawrence, walked into a non Jewish attorneys office. On the wall behind her desk was a picture of Reb Moshe ZT”L. He had to ask her why she had this picture. She explained that she once had a client getting divorced who was not interested in Jusaism. Her mother kept on pushing her to obtain a get. After a while in order to placate her mother she agreed.
A bais din was convened consisting of Reb Moshe, Rabbi Bluth and someone else. The husband is sitting there and in comes the lady, her attorney and the woman’s dog. The
attorney explains that her client always brings along her dog, it has been with her during all the hard times and is her best friend.
They are sitting for a few minutes and Reb Moshe says in Yiddish that there will be no get written today. After everyone leaves Rabbi Bluth inquires why the R”Y didn’t do the get.
Reb Moshe says this dog was with her through all the years, saw the fighting etc. It would definitely have recognized the husband yet didn’t even bark or show any response as though he never saw this guy. The man is not the husband. They checked into it and it was not the husband, she brought along a guy so that she could get a get and make her mother happy.
This attorney was so impressed how Reb Moshe could read a person through a dog that she was inspired to be more careful at getting the proper information and facts .
One can see the power of Daas Torah.
Here are the responses:
Interesting story about R’ Moshe disqualifying a Get. The only thing I don’t understand is: aren’t there usually eidim that testify to the Beis Din that these two people requesting a Get are indeed the married couple. Why were these eidim not present, how could the Beis Din have even a “hava aminah” of issuing a Get without testimony that this is truly the man and woman involved. Hmm.. seems a little fishy, or should I say “far-fetched”.
I have to concur with the first response. I have participated in a few dozen gitten as an eid or a dayan. Though I have never seen eidim who knew the couple, brought in to testify on the identity of the couple (I have only seen eidim for the writing and transference of the get); I have seen Batei Din check documentation such as passport, drivers licencse etc. to verify who’s who.
By the way, I have noticed that the frumer the couple, the more acrimonious the get.
Rabbi Bluth told me that he never was at a get with the Rosh Yeshiva Rav Moshe and a dog.April 27, 2009 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #643833squeakParticipant
Jsnopes would be a massive undertaking. Massive. I would definitely buy the book, though. Make that the series.April 28, 2009 1:29 am at 1:29 am #643834
Snopes.com is the website that you can go to in order to debunk or check up on the validity of a rumor. For example, there has always been an e-mail going around that a certain girl is sick and the American Cancer Society will donate money for every e-mail you forward. Snopes.com verifies what should be obvious – the ACS ACCEPTS donations – they do not give them. If you ever hear soemthing that sounds weird, just go to that site, type in the keyword in the search engine and it will tell you if it is a substantiated fact or a piece of fiction. JSnopes, is presumably Jewish Snopes (there is none, as far as I know – it was probably meant as a joke).April 28, 2009 2:08 am at 2:08 am #643835mroosinsehryMember
Also when the text was going around not to go to manhattan on a certain wednesday, snopes.com verified it false and it was false…April 28, 2009 2:13 am at 2:13 am #643836
anytime 😉April 28, 2009 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm #643838anonymouse1079Participant
google “jewish urban legend” and you’ll see it already exists.April 28, 2009 9:14 pm at 9:14 pm #643839charlie brownMember
maybe jsnopes can tell us which Joseph is the real one and which is the myth.April 28, 2009 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #643840mepalMember
nice try charlie! Its obvious the mods playing trix on us, or just making a good conversation starter. Otherwise, (considering all the strict rules around here) they would have never let this go on.April 29, 2009 4:09 am at 4:09 am #643841
Speaking of unverified information – has anyone heard anything about the Jewish boys in Japan?????April 29, 2009 1:39 pm at 1:39 pm #643842cantoresqMember
I happen to be good friends with David Seideman. He was my NCSY advisor, some 25 years ago, his brother and I have a long history. He was my chavrusa for about a year in YU, we went to law school together and were at each other’s weddings. If I’m not mistaken, this brother shlepped to my first son’s bris also. David is a profssional colleague who I always enjoy meeting when I’m in court in the City. We call eachother every so often to discuss cases. I e-mailed him the link to this page asking if there is any truth to the story. Let’s see what his response is.April 29, 2009 2:16 pm at 2:16 pm #643843mepalMember
Thank you, cantor. I did hear an interview they had with the parents of the boys though.April 29, 2009 10:37 pm at 10:37 pm #643844cantoresqMember
I heard back from David Seideman. He heard the story from another lawyer, but he never met any non-Jewish lawyer who had a picture of R. Moshe Feinstein in her office.May 4, 2009 2:43 am at 2:43 am #643845
Thank you cantoresq.
Here is another response I got to the story:
I asked Rabbi Peretz Steinberg (YI Queens Valley, Queens, NY) about the dog/get story. He said he has heard the story being said many times but when he asked Rabbi Bluth or Reb Dovid, they said they never heard the story.May 4, 2009 2:48 am at 2:48 am #643846
regarding the question of how reb moshe ztl and the other people allowed the husband to give a get without checking his drivers license and etc maybe he had a fake drivers
license and etc made out in her husbands name i have heard stories of people selling those things in times square and other places
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