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  • #615386

    bekitzur
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    Can a frum man or woman become an astronaut?

    #1097375

    There’s a bit of a disconnect here…

    #1097376

    Joseph
    Participant

    In the same sense can a frum man or woman move to Alaska near the Arctic Circle?

    #1097377

    Bookworm120
    Participant

    Well, the spacesuit one wears on the moon might be considered beged ish….

    #1097378

    bekitzur
    Participant

    Well, two of the issues are (a) the training and (b) the Shabbos-every-72-minutes problem.

    #1097379

    showjoe
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    and kiddush levana.

    and zmanim for tifella also.

    and birchas haelanos.

    and (probably) others which i cant think of right now.

    #1097380

    mw13
    Participant

    Supposedly somebody once asked R’ Avigdor Miller how to do kiddush levana on the moon. R’ Avigdor Miller gave him a quarter and said “When you get there, call me”.

    #1097381

    screwdriverdelight
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    showjoe: are you serious that one of the problems of being on the moon is kiddush l’vana?

    #1097382

    screwdriverdelight
    Participant

    showjoe: are you serious that one of the problems of being on the moon is kiddush l’vana?

    #1097383

    Well, what is considered “seeing the moon” for kiddush l’vana?

    Is that condition met while standing on the moon?

    #1097384

    showjoe
    Participant

    mw13: great story

    SSD: this is not a serious thread.

    but that point was not any less serious than my other points.

    why are you asking?

    #1097385

    showjoe
    Participant

    the main point, it seems, for kiddush l’vana is HAshem renewing of the moon.

    so if your on the light side of the moon, than would you be able to make kiddush l’vana?

    and lets say you go to the dark side, and than back to the light side, does that count as renewing? or can you say renewing is only a din is seeing the moon, and since you can always see the moon if your on it(i suppose), it does count as renewal?

    #1097386

    I heard somewhere but I forget where that a Jewish person is not supposed to go to the moon because it says in Tehillim “Hashamayim shamayim laHashem, v’haaretz nasan lifnei ha’adam” meaning that the earth belongs to man and the heavens belongs to Hashem. so yeah

    #1097387

    Toi
    Participant

    I think the chazon ish has a teshuva about what to do in space. i think twelve hours exactly always.

    #1097388

    catch yourself
    Participant

    Zemanim for tefilla is not an issue at all, since the astronaut would be precluded from davening because of ???? ????? ????.

    #1097389

    screwdriverdelight
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    showjoe, I just meant, like is that even something you must take into consideration? Not being able to say k”l? Maybe… it just sounds funny (acc. to many, k”l is a birchas haro’eh, so lichorah there’s no problem in making yourself unable to be m’kayyeim it)

    CY, didn’t get your last post

    #1097390

    Little Froggie
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    Maybe that’s why they jump when they say ????? ???? ????? ??, just in case he’s actually on the moon.

    #1097391

    catch yourself
    Participant

    When on spacewalks, astronauts wear maximum absorption garments (In English, we call these diapers). This is because it is too time consuming to reenter the shuttle or space station each time the astronaut needs to relieve himself. I suppose that eventually there could be constructed a pressurized environment on the moon, but as of now anyone on the moon [or anywhere else outside of a pressurized atmosphere] is not allowed to say (or even think) any ???? ????? because they do not have a ??? ??? (and, of course, their ???? is not ????).

    However, while in the shuttle or space station, they are able to maintain ??? ??? and ????? ?????, so my earlier post responds to the thread title but not the OP.

    #1097392

    TheGoq
    Participant

    Just behave in front of the other jewish astronauts you don’t want to cause mars ayin by eating non kosher food tubes.

    #1097393

    Chortkov
    Participant

    Maybe that’s why they jump when they say ????? ???? ????? ??, just in case he’s actually on the moon.

    Brilliant.

    #1097394

    akuperma
    Participant

    Halachically there isn’t a problem, but the ways in which astronauts and selected and trained make it unlikely (e.g. a high percentage are military test pilots).

    #1097395

    Jewish Thinker
    Participant

    Rav Menashe Klein tz”l discusses some halachos about the moon in Mishne Halachos (6:259)

    #1097396

    screwdriverdelight
    Participant

    Maybe that’s why they jump when they say ????? ???? ????? ??, just in case he’s actually on the moon.

    You seem to understand that ?? is referring to the moon. I heard about one rabbi who stopped saying that phrase once Neil Armstrong (allegedly) landed on the moon. However, I think pashut p’shat is that it’s referring to Hashem. Who dances to the moon?

    #1097397

    Little Froggie
    Participant

    Highly doubt it. Comparison doesn’t make sense. “Just as we cannot touch HaShem, so too may our enemies not touch us”?

    We don’t dance TO the moon. Me make a motion as if we’re jumping towards it. (I heard of something very important – one must be careful not to bend his knees while jumping, lest it be deemed bowing c”v.

    #1097398

    screwdriverdelight
    Participant

    I understand my way better than yours, but you’re right anyway. Tur 426 says to dance toward the moon and say, etc. (dif. nusach there, BTW)

    #1097399

    screwdriverdelight
    Participant

    (acc. to many, k”l is a birchas haro’eh, so lichorah there’s no problem in making yourself unable to be m’kayyeim it)

    woops. I got mixed up. They quote R’ Isser Zalman Meltzer as saying it’s a birkas haro’eh but most sources indicate otherwise. (don’t ask me for them; I’m just repeating a shi’ur I heard once, but basically, the mg”a says K”l is a mitzvas aseih shehazman g’rama, so he obviously doesn’t think it’s a birkas haro’eh [which is actually where R’ Meltzer is quoted as having to come to argue] snd a shu”t nodeh bihudah regarding interrupting kri’as m’gillah to be mekadeish the l’vana, so obviously it’s not a birkas haro’eh, or he would’ve just said to not look)

    #1097400

    apushatayid
    Participant

    there is a sefer one can read online at hebrewbooks.org called “ha’adam al hayareach” by a R’ M. Kasher. Perhaps he answers your question.

    #1097401

    Chortkov
    Participant

    I haven’t seen the Sefer yet, but here is a link to it.

    #1097402

    In case anyone can’t find the link,

    it’s the word “here” in the above post.

    (It’s a good idea to put brackets around links, like >so<.)

    #1097403

    Bump to find out if Yekke2 has rejected

    my suggestion or simply hasn’t seeen it.

    #1097404

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    how is it physically possible to jump without bending knees?

    #1097405

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    By not actually jumping but by bouncing your heals.

    #1097407

    pcoz
    Member

    Can you make Kiddush when you are on the levanah?

    #1097408

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Locking your knees while bouncing on your heels is bad for your back and knees.

    #1097410

    apushatayid
    Participant

    Even on the moon with a much smaller forces of gravity?

    #1097411

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    they asked the first frum astronaut how it was being in outer space

    his answer: tiring, all day, shachris mincha maariv, shachris mincha maariv…

    #1097412

    charliehall
    Participant

    The two northernmost orthodox synagogues in the world are in Trondheim, Norway; and in Anchorage, Alaska. They have adopted different solutions to this problem.

    #1097413

    skripka
    Participant

    is the green cheese on the moon chalav yisroel? i call the lunar rover!!

    #1097414

    cherrybim
    Participant

    skripka, you want to if the green cheese on the moon is chalav yisroel? Ask Alice Kramden.

    #1097415

    skripka
    Participant

    actually, come to think of it? if it’s green I think i’ll pass (out)

    #1097416

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    The definitive sefer on the subject has already been written.

    http://www.hebrewbooks.org/10217

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