July 12, 2021 9:49 am at 9:49 am #1990648MaivinParticipant
@IYK “Maivin: great words of advice. I can see you follow them. Thanks for judging me a tzaddik. Viamech kulam tzaddikim.”
IYK I really really did not mean it sarcastically. and I hope you didn’t take it that I was saying it sarcastically. You are a part of us all. Please don’t think I am judging you.July 12, 2021 10:57 am at 10:57 am #1990710
IYK, when you say Haahem is above Torah, you are saying against the known Zohar who says yisroel, veoyraysa, vekudsha brich hu chad hu. there is a unity between Hashem, the Torah and Yisroel being One. The Torah unifies us with Hashem. It instills in us the love to Hashem and therefore, Hashem shows His love toward us thereby creating one entity.
It says Bereishis, the world was created because of the Torah called reishis and Yisroel also called reishes. The Torah is the original blue print for the world. Takmidei Chachamim don’t modify the Torah which will not change with time but as times require can modify creation. Boro ekokim laasos, Hashem created to do. They are given authority through the Torah to modify creation as required. You cannot make up your own logic as you like.July 12, 2021 10:59 am at 10:59 am #1990703erParticipant
It’s obvious to me you long for Moshiach, whether you fully realize this or not. It may be that you feel others don’t have the imagination or put enough energy into anticipating how wonderful things will be, b’ezras Hashem, may he come quickly. This could be, and I identify with some of your utopian sensibilities. On the other hand, the Torah is pretty clear that this is a world of a prescribed balance. And this online community consists generally of people who accept our mesorah and strive to live up to its ideals. As someone else may have alluded to, if we identify ourselves as traditional Jews we are essentially signing up to be corrected if something we say might be off. And hopefully we’d welcome this and have the strength to open our minds when we are clearly wrong. People can be too quick to judge, yes. Sometimes they are wrong and sometimes they are right but need to keep quiet. Maybe the one saying something isn’t doing it out of love. Or sometimes it’s a matter of timing. I know someone who struggles with halacha but “keeping halacha” isn’t really the problem. The problems are based in childhood trauma and exacerbated by drugs and other struggles.
Mitzvos and halacha are the natural expressions and consequences of a healty Jew. Avraham avinu baked matzos even before he was given the mitzvah of Pesach. There are numerous other examples.
As for looking “beyond” halacha for happiness and purpose in our curent existence, the luring meaningfulness is illusory and unbridled expressions of love in this world can actually destroy the world, chas v’shalom. But we can long for Hashem’s yeshuos and a perfect world, as you no doubt have the desire to do. May we all develop our eyes to look for Hashem’s yeshuos, and the strength and courage to try to follow Hashem’s will so that our tefilos and mitzvos are natural expressions of who we are-July 12, 2021 10:59 am at 10:59 am #1990702
I understood the message as “don’t give up”. Truly good advice. By saying so, you showed your personality. I mean no disrespect. What I’m saying back is, we are all of the same root.July 12, 2021 11:43 am at 11:43 am #1990718🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
er – beautiful, thank youJuly 12, 2021 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm #1990733
A person bought a hat which was too small for him, so he went to a goldsmith to squeeze his head to make it smaller. When we don’t like what the Torah commands, as times have changed, we don’t change the Torah but the envirinment.July 12, 2021 2:58 pm at 2:58 pm #1990809
“Takmidei Chachamim don’t modify the Torah which will not change with time but as times require can modify creation. “
What about the Gemara with the story of תורה לא בשמים היא where Hashem said “my kids beat me”July 12, 2021 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #1990839
Refusing to post my words without due cause is geneivas daas.July 12, 2021 5:01 pm at 5:01 pm #1990837July 12, 2021 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #1990848
coffee addict, there is a Daroshas Haran who explains that they could not follow Rebbi Eliezer because once the Torah was given down to earth, it must be undestood with human understanding. The Chunuch says that we must follow the majority view. The Torah agrees with the view according to their interpretation and is not a change.
I explained that leosid lavo we will pasken like the Beis Shamai, what about the majority? Currently we don’t understand their stringent view but then we will gain a greater understanding, umoloh haaretz deah, such that the majority will follow the Beis Shamai.July 12, 2021 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm #1990859
So if someone understands the Torah later on he can change how we follow the torah?July 12, 2021 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #1990858commonsaychelParticipant
Reb E for CR of tthe CR!July 12, 2021 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm #1990871
Tosfas in Bava Metzia explains that the Beis Shamai are charufei tefei, sharper. So the Baas Kol did not argue on our understanding that the majority is in quantity and not quality and therefore not contradicting the rule of lo bashomayim.July 12, 2021 10:36 pm at 10:36 pm #1990913
Clearly you’ve all made up your mind that you know everything. Please explain the storms right now all over the world…July 13, 2021 11:57 am at 11:57 am #1991104erParticipant
IYK: Rather than going after Reb Elizer, I would say the ball is more in your court. In sum, you’ve felt personally judged by the velt. You may have found disagreement on this thread hashkafically, but probably more compassion and respect for you personally than perhaps you expected looking at your initial post. You’re not going to connect to what everybody says (I do not think Reb E tries to show he knows all. He does gives insights and glimpses I personally appreciate), but you can still recognize the good. Otherwise you are guilty of the same thing you can’t stand in others. There are passionate and inspired people out there, each sharing his own G-d given understanding and personality. Clearly you’ve been looking to express yourself and engage in dialogue. The question therefore is: for what reason. To dismiss or knock these people down? Or to see if there are some respectful and thoughtful people out there where you can conclude not everybody in the community is rotten, and may even have something you could learn from.July 13, 2021 12:16 pm at 12:16 pm #1991110
er, I know what I know but I don’t know all. The more we know, the more we know how much we don’t know. It is like an astronaut, the more space he conquers, the more he realizes how much more there is to conquer.July 13, 2021 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm #19911122scentsParticipant
“Clearly you’ve all made up your mind that you know everything. Please explain the storms right now all over the world…”
It seems that you are engaging in the same behavior of which you are accusing others. We might not understand or know the reason for everything, but we still follow the written and oral law giving to us by Hashem. It is you that seems to believe that you understand the reasoning behind everything.July 13, 2021 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1991225
Aharon hakohen brought about peace by using deceptive speech. He used speech in deception to cause peace. That is what the one who judged me negatively did today to me, but it caused a rift between him and I. As I experienced pain through action, not only words. Others will be mesaken the damage of the action, by giving money to me to be able to teach more how to be loving. The one who did the action has plenty of work now to be mesaken his neshama. He had no ill will, but now that he pointed a finger likaf chov, even by mistake, he is once again not a kli machzik beracha and has to once again find a way to become one again. We have shared knowledge on how to accomplish that. He will succeed on his own, because our creator will help him achieve success. Once he uses the knowledge and tools to become a kli machzik bracha again, I will be able to share more beracha with him.July 13, 2021 5:38 pm at 5:38 pm #1991248
IYK, you are complaining when you can help yourself. Forget and put aside all that happened to you in your youth. We recognize and value your pain. Don’t let those who hurt you win.July 13, 2021 9:50 pm at 9:50 pm #1991287
I have recently achieved much success despite the pain of my youth. I have understood what pain means and how to move past it. I experience other people’s pains when they have too much of a burden. If they ask for help and want help, I give assistance with my spiritual connection for them to help themselves, but only if they desire to experience our creator’s love. I show them how to change their pain into love. Those who hurt me never win. Unless they are honestly trying not to hurt and trying to learn to love themselves. Our creator has given me a gift of empathy. Once I have a connection with one who wants out of pain, even if I’m not with them in person, I do experience their pain through spirituality and have the ability to help them overcome. I am living proof that our creator, our neshamos, are real and are made of pure love. edited I have come to appreciate true Torah and our true creator. I know which step on the ladder I am standing on. Every step up the ladder I take, I do my best to be as secure on that step as I can get, before moving up to the next rung. I don’t need to rush up to the next rung on the ladder but when people lower on the climb are just holding on for the free ride, I disconnect spiritually from them until they are willing to put in effort. Lifum tzaara agra. I don’t wish to take your reward from you, so I don’t wish to take your pain from you either. But I do wish people would truly value the rewards over the pain.July 14, 2021 8:58 am at 8:58 am #1991335
I’m not allergic to kosher meat, but many times it is incorrectly prepared, which makes me feel sick. Kind of like fruits that are underripe, or already fermenting and getting spoiled, so I don’t always benefit from consuming them.July 14, 2021 9:02 am at 9:02 am #1991393rationalParticipant
I’ve read your posts carefully. You write English and transliterations very well, indicating educational depth and maturity, both on a Torah and secular level. Therefore, it surprises me that you came to the coffee room with such heavy baggage. You know very well that no one here will solve your issues, if indeed you have them. Get professional help.July 14, 2021 10:02 am at 10:02 am #1991341
When we say chaverim kol yisroel, even bais shammai and bais hillel studied with each other, elevated each other through their back and forth. It’s like dance in the form of fighting. The more they danced with each other, the more it was perceived as the perfect fighters they both were.July 14, 2021 10:02 am at 10:02 am #1991411
How I understood your previous posts you are emotionally allergic to religion since it was forced upon you and you were beaten because of it
Correct me if I’m wrongJuly 14, 2021 10:03 am at 10:03 am #1991413
IYK, the Ramban in Parashas Kedoshim on the prohibition of Arleh says arleh is unheathy and the same reason applies all non-kosher foods.July 14, 2021 11:12 am at 11:12 am #1991460
The Midrash Shmuel on Pirkei Avos explains how the Beis Hilel strived to find the truth. The Beis Shamai was instrumental in it by showing the Beis Hilel an opposing view and protecting them from tunnel vision thereby sharing the praise with each other for argung lashem shomayim, for heavens sake.July 14, 2021 11:21 am at 11:21 am #1991463
Should be above, to all non-kosher foods.July 14, 2021 6:36 pm at 6:36 pm #1991568
This must be read to understand what made my view change. I was hurt physically because of religious views, forced to do whatever I was told without thought. At a certain young age, due to physical abuse, with no knowledge about how to heal myself, my skin developed an inflammatory issue called psoriasis. What most don’t know about it is that the skin duplicates too fast and surface skin dies, while skin beneath it grows hot from dead skin on the surface. My body was on overdrive for life of the skin. To heal from physical and emotional pain, I would consume endless amounts of food. Insane food expenses. I was so overweight that doctors told my biological parents that I wasn’t going to reach age 20 without dieting. I had given up on diets that just never worked. But I gave one last chance and doctors gave me a diet based on bloodwork. I lost 70 pounds in 6 months. Kept the weight off for 3 years. Then a rabbinical authority coupled with my parents insisted that I quit my diet for one day, Rosh Hashana. I knew if I did, all work put in would be lost. But I did what I was told to do by my rabbi and my parents, quit for one day, never went back on. All this time, my skin condition expanded all over the surface. Doctors sent every medication they could, but another family member was already doing certain immuno compromising prescription drugs because of facing the same medical conditions, from the same source. It came to a point that I was informed of a warning by the other family member this could lead to organ failure, as the skin is the largest organ of the body. Any attempts to go off medication would have caused that family member to die. I took my own steps to avoid the same pitfalls. As skin was duplicating too fast, I had to slow down by killing my skin cells in bleach baths. It was a constant battle for years, to the point that I was bathing in commercial bleach baths. Accused of mental illness led to ingestion of weight gaining medication, I reached 375 pounds, I could not fit in a bath tub, had difficulty cleaning up when I went to the restroom, at which point I went to my doctor wearing a 8xlt shirt and showed him what was happening, begging for prescription steroids to regain control. After bloodwork, I was declared a diabetic, doctors were just about to give up hope on me. But we worked out a plan together, I am down in less than 3 months, 68 pounds. I used Torah knowledge to understand that it was a matter of pikuach nefesh in more than one way. In addition, funding was dry, as if I’d turn on the faucet and be lucky if clean water came out. There wasn’t enough available funds to cover kosher meat, every Jew I spoke to wanted to control where I got food from, but never shared enough to cover the bills to recuperate. I then told them one by one “mochel tovos”, if you’re not in fully, I don’t want your assistance. Partial assistance without problem solving is in essence saying I want you to have issues. My own brothers turned against me, to kill me. Our creator did not allow it to happen. edited I learnt what self love really means, connected with Torah I had learned on the level of self love. The day I understood the true nature of Torah, these storms that I wrote in the chat room erupted all over planet earth. Firenatoes, tornadoes, earthquakes. I was no longer afraid to walk outside despite the tornado warning. I knew my creator loves me and is protecting me. I have just connected with our creator today on a level I have never experienced or expected to achieve. There is a law in Judaism called we go up in holiness and we don’t go down. I am rising with self love, of my neshama and my creator protecting it inside, that people have begun taking pictures of me on the street, coming over reaching out to give high five, jaws dropping all around me, but I’m determined to hopefully never disconnect from either source. To have those connections grow and push all this dark energies away, show them how to change into love energy. If someone writes me off, they wrote off the torah and neshama and hashem within me. You hurt yourself more than you hurt me. Eventually, all your spiritual eyes will open, as mine is not far away from doing so fully.July 14, 2021 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #1991570
YWN: please edit what’s necessary to make it seen. I have one thing to add. Once I began to understand Torah, I realized something I had learned in mishnayos as a healing solution to my damaged skin. I had learnt that picky people used to put cloves in olive oil and annnoint their skins with it. It would help feel good. I applied it to sunburnt skin, the pain subsided. Someone suggested I apply it to my psoriasis condition. Exercise coupled with olive oil coupled with extreme mental health improvement, today I saw massive reduction in inflammation of the skin. I thank our creator for showing me a path out of my pain.July 15, 2021 10:08 am at 10:08 am #1991889
Don’t sacrifice kosher food. Non-kosher food, veninamtem es halev, stuffs the heart up, affects the whole body and creates deceptive excuses, so if people want to help you allow them. When you fully recover. you will repay them.July 15, 2021 11:24 am at 11:24 am #19919362scentsParticipant
It seems that you suffered a lot, assuming the facts are what you said them to be, is terrible.
There is no justification to abuse another human being. However, while religion might have been used as a means for the abuse, it is not the religion or the Torah that caused the abuse. It is the sick individuals that have done so.
They would have done so regardless of their religious beliefs, and others with similar levels of religion do not endure any abuse due to their religious beliefs.
I do hope that you continue to heal, in whichever way works for you.
That said, the Torah is what it is, we do not get to change it. If you do need a different understanding in order to help you heal or survive, that has nothing to do with the rest of the world.
You should have a speedy and complete recovery.July 16, 2021 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm #1992442Shimon NodelParticipant
Hashem relates to us as the Av Harachamim, an all merciful father. We are his children. However, He is also the Melech. He is our king. We cannot pick and choose which of His commandments to obey. It is futile to rationalize the purpose of the mitzvos. The king has commanded us to keep the mitzvos, and there is din vacheshbon for everyone. However stark this may seem, there is no need to despair or feel pressure. We must accept the reality and obey the Torah with joy.
As for connecting to Hashem through mitzvos, this is a very subtle connection felt exclusively by the soul. It is unlikely for most to feel this connection in this world with our physical bodies. The connection is definitely happening though, and the result will be manifest in the world to come.
See how the Ramchal explains this in derech Hashem for a full discussion. He says there that sometimes we may feel a much smaller effect of the connection that spills over from the actual connection happening. But it is just a much smaller he’arah from the greater one.July 16, 2021 2:58 pm at 2:58 pm #1992457Shimon NodelParticipant
After reading about your experiences and troubles, I understand much more than before about your perspective and your sentiment. No one should judge you after knowing what you’ve been through, but that shouldn’t mean people can expected to give the benefit of doubt in this scenario since the circumstances are very uncommon. Keep seeking the truth. Don’t draw conclusions from others’ mistakes.July 16, 2021 6:29 pm at 6:29 pm #1992503BubbieTexParticipant
IYK: I just wanted to empathize with you and say that you are Hashem’s child and He loves you no matter what.July 16, 2021 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #1992507BubbieTexParticipant
You are Hashem’s child, and He loves you. Wishing you well.
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