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April 30, 2020 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm #1855639
If we wouldn’t get daily updates from the news about how many people are dying daily would we notice the pandemic with our own eyesMay 1, 2020 12:23 am at 12:23 am #1855678justsaying001Participant
eyes prob not, but we’d hear of enough ppl that wed suspect something is upMay 1, 2020 12:26 am at 12:26 am #1855687JosephParticipant
Not nearly as much.May 1, 2020 8:07 am at 8:07 am #1855732n0mesorahParticipant
We noticed Ebola in 2014 with two deaths total.May 1, 2020 8:16 am at 8:16 am #1855745rationalParticipant
My family in Lakewood says there is no need for updates from the goyishe press or radio, let alone the treife internet. Whatever we need to know, HKBH will make sure we find out.May 1, 2020 8:16 am at 8:16 am #1855750Reb EliezerParticipant
I would like to here also more about people who were sent home from hospital and were taken off the ventilator.May 1, 2020 11:24 am at 11:24 am #1855849akupermaParticipant
If one considers that 1% of the population dies every year (in the US, that means roughly three million, in New York City, about 70,000 per year), if the press covered each and every death as they did Coronavirus deaths, it would clearly cause panic. In historic plagues (e.g. “Black death” or “Smallpox” in a place that never had it before), the death rate would be much higher (for example, in a typical Boro Park apartment building, at least one or two people would die daily, and after a few months, the building be largely empty) – but that isn’t happening (even if the mass media prefer to look at the current virus in apocalyptic terms).May 1, 2020 12:14 pm at 12:14 pm #1855889MilhouseParticipant
Halacha actually gives us a definition of דבר בעיר. People have been quoting various sources about what to do in a time of דבר, but they ignore the definition. According to the halacha, דבר exists when on three consecutive days the death rate exceeds one death per 500 working-age men. So if we assume 1/4 of the population consists of men of working age, that would be one death per 2,000 people, or 50 per 100,000, each day.
Of course the current epidemic has not come anywhere near that. Which means the halachos of דבר do not apply, and through Hashem’s mercy what we are experiencing, however bad it is, is nothing like what our ancestors used to experience routinely every 15-20 years if not more often. May we never see such times, and may our current suffering be enough to atone for all our sins and to achieve whatever it is supposed to.May 1, 2020 1:23 pm at 1:23 pm #1855925
And in halacha we dont include old weak sick women or children in the count of 3:500 so what number would we be left with if we exclude those people as most of the deaths came from old or sick peopleMay 1, 2020 1:25 pm at 1:25 pm #1855927
So really in order for some one to panic you really have to trust you are being fed accurate information as almost none of us can see first had the extent of the damage caused by the virus.May 1, 2020 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm #1855934🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
Rava- i agree that many people totally don’t get it. If you dont live in areas with frequent levayas it is not as blatant. On the other hand, although my community has been fortunate in regard to it’s residents, the shiva notices regarding their loses has been overwhelming. And as a hatzalah dispatcher I have found this epidemic to be the cause of many sleepless nights.May 1, 2020 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #1855970GadolhadorahParticipant
The photos this week of the bodies of those who were niftar from the virus piled into rented box trucks on Brooklyn streets outside funeral homes should help get the message across to those who might be skeptical or who are fortunate to not know anyone struck with the mageafah.
If not, probably nothing will help communicate the scope of this tragedy.May 1, 2020 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #1855973MilhouseParticipant
Rava, nowhere that I have seen does it say that women, children, and the elderly don’t count for the numerator in this deadly equation. It says they don’t count for the denominator. That’s why I wrote that if we assume working-age men are 1/4 of the population then the threshold for a plague is a daily death rate of approximately 1/2,000, or 50/100,000. But those deaths can be those of women, children, and elderly men.May 1, 2020 7:45 pm at 7:45 pm #1856019
Godelhador thank you for making my point, my information about what is happening is based on me seeing a picture, so i need to trust that what i infer from the picture is accurate.May 1, 2020 7:45 pm at 7:45 pm #1856017
ול”נ שמהירושלמי למד כן דגרסינן התם בתים שאמרו בריאים ולא מרועעים ודכוותה בחורים אבל לא זקנים וכי היכי דמשמע זקנים יש למעט קטנים וכן יש למעט נשים לפי שהן חלושות המזג: this is from the כסף משנהMay 2, 2020 11:06 pm at 11:06 pm #1856140
Godelhador How far back do we have to go to get to a time that the picture of dead bodies would not have gone around 25 50 75 years? What would we have thought if the world worked like that today?
Syag thank you for your work but obviously the medical community will see the devastation caused by this virus and in a way for him its worse bec they will be surrounded by the worst of it. I just want to know what a normal person the street would think if he would be limited to what his eyes sawMay 5, 2020 8:38 am at 8:38 am #1857082n0mesorahParticipant
If we would be in a nursing home we could be seeing it a lot.
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