Tagged: noticing things
September 3, 2014 4:59 am at 4:59 am #613578sm29Participant
Something to work on to make our prayers more powerfulSeptember 4, 2014 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #1030794WolfishMusingsParticipant
While I fully agree with the point of the ad (talking during davening and laining is a pet peeve of mine), I’m curious about the bottom line where it states:
“KEEPING QUIET IN SHUL IS A ZECHUS FOR PARNASSAH, SHIDDUCHIM, REFUOS & YESHUOS”
I’m curious how remaining silent in shul is a zechus for these things any more than keeping any other mitzvah.
Or is this just another example of using these as “incentive” to get people to follow the proper path?
The WolfSeptember 4, 2014 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm #1030795Avram in MDParticipant
I’m curious how remaining silent in shul is a zechus for these things [PARNASSAH, SHIDDUCHIM, REFUOS & YESHUOS] any more than keeping any other mitzvah.
I don’t know. My only guess is that many people request those things when davening, and staying quiet in shul enhances the davening.September 4, 2014 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #1030796hakohen53Participant
Many similar ads have been running every week in the Flatbush Jewish Journal for the last year and a half or so. Talking during davening is my pet peeve as well. When I wanted to start a campaign about not talking by davening for the zechus of a refuah for a child in our shul, I was told to be positive (how davening helps for a refuah) but not be negative (that talking causes bad things). What that person didn’t understand, and what was emphasized in many of the weekly ads by citing seforim, is that the talking is not necessarily CAUSING the tzoros. But talking in shul during davening PREVENTS the tefilos in that shul from reaching shomayim. There are always people davening for various yeshuos, but the talking creates a barrier keeping the tefilos from ascending. Its not negative, just a fact. Stop talking and it will allow our tefilos to have the most potential effect, which is quite great. Hashem is always waiting for our tefilos. It is said that Hashem sometimes gives us tzoros because he knows that it will cause people to daven and he so much wants to hear our tefilos. So lets stop talking and allow our prayers to reach Him.September 4, 2014 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #1030797oomisParticipant
I think that doing ANY mitzvah makes us more worthy of being answered affirmatively by Hashem. It happens that I am greatly troubled by people who talk during the davening and laining. I cannot focus on my own davening, and in my shul I am the “wicked witch” (yeah, THAT lady whom we all knew from our own childhood) who is always going outside to shush the young men who are standing outside the ezras nashim, talking naarishkeit.
People do not realize what a chutzpah it is to be asking the R”SO for our bakoshos, when we don’t even have the respect for Him that we would show a famous person who is talking to us. WHY would we think Hashem would be predisposed to saying “yes” when we didn’t even have the courtesy to refrain from extraneous (and dare I say, stupid)irrelevant conversation while we are supposed to be engaged in conversation with HIM?September 4, 2014 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #1030798oyyoyyoyParticipant
wolf- good haarah.
I’m curious whos paying for these ads. They’re plastered in every frum place possible to place an ad, from papers to forums.September 4, 2014 10:10 pm at 10:10 pm #1030799MDGParticipant
“I’m curious how remaining silent in shul is a zechus for these things any more than keeping any other mitzvah.”
Simple. It’s a zechut for getting your prayers answered. When you talk in shul, you show that the shul is unimportant, prayer is unimportant. Hashem responds accordingly.
There is a source in the Achronim for this, but I can’t remember exactly. Basically, the Acharon asked Hashem why there are the pogroms. The answer, given to him in a dream, was talking in shul. Contemporary rabbis explain that the talking didn’t cause the pogroms, but talking ruins the ability for prayers – like for protection – to he heard.
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