April 5, 2012 3:36 pm at 3:36 pm #602820
Please explain what Kabbalah is and how Kabbalah, the Zohar and the ARIZAL fit into our lives and apply today.April 5, 2012 4:55 pm at 4:55 pm #866763hershiMember
Very relevant. Kabbala touches almost everything we do as Jews today.April 5, 2012 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm #866764sheinMember
The Litvish, Chasidish and especially the Sefardic world is infused with much kabbalah.April 5, 2012 11:06 pm at 11:06 pm #866765
It’s a secret.April 9, 2012 2:57 am at 2:57 am #866766
The Zohar was authored by the Tanna Rabban Shimon bar Yochai, but was kept secret for over a thousand years, until it was finally revealed to the masses about 500 years ago.
Zohar shouldn’t be learnt before one becomes 40 years old.April 9, 2012 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #866767CzarMember
Learning kabbala is not pashut.April 9, 2012 11:08 pm at 11:08 pm #866768PatriMember
How did the Zohar pass down all the centuries until it was publicized?April 9, 2012 11:24 pm at 11:24 pm #866769
Until 40? So the Arizal never learned Zohar Hakadosh? How about the Ramak or Reb Chaim Vittal? Actually, I don’t think anyone who actually excelled in Kabala started after 40.April 10, 2012 12:12 am at 12:12 am #866770ChachamParticipant
haleivi- the shach says that. so go figureApril 10, 2012 1:08 am at 1:08 am #866771
Chacham: The Shach doesn’t say 40. The Shach says that one should wait until he is old enough and that many who learned too early died very early (a clear hint to the Ariza”l, I think). I have heard that not learning Zohar until 40 is a Cherem of the Ya’avetz in response to Sabbateanism.April 10, 2012 1:11 am at 1:11 am #866772
Shmoel: While we assume today that the Zohar was authored by the Tanna R’ Shimon (though there are clearly pieces that are later additions as they quote people post-R’ Shimon Bar Yochai), the actual authorship of the Zohar was a controversy from the time R’ Moshe De Leon revealed it until today. (It was a very big controversy among the Gedolim in his time; then it died down for several hundred years as everyone assumed that it was really R’ Shimon. Now the academics call the authorship into question again, though very few Gedolim agree with them.)April 10, 2012 1:33 am at 1:33 am #866773
Sam: It was only briefly questioned for a short time by a small minority of Torah figures. The entire Torah world has long accepted its authorship by Rabban Shimon Bar Yochai. The apikorus academics have no bearing or standing on the issue.April 10, 2012 2:21 am at 2:21 am #866774
Shmoel: There are academics who are not Apikorsim who also question it. And, while we may not care for what they say, they do sometimes bring good Ra’ayos and we have to answer them.April 10, 2012 2:28 am at 2:28 am #866775ChachamParticipant
sam2 — let us not argue in metzious. the shach DOES say 40 years. see YD 246in the last line of shach sk 6 and the beer heitev in sk 3 says that also.April 10, 2012 2:34 am at 2:34 am #866776
Sam: We only need to concern ourselves with Talmidei Chachomim, on the issue. Not am haratzim academics who make “historical judgements”, and other shoddy assumptions. And there stupidities in inventing “historical facts” on this (and many other) Torah issues, are pure figments of their imaginations without any Torah basis. No, they most certainly do not have an iota of any “good rayos” on this that is worthy of anything other than a hearty laugh.April 10, 2012 2:38 am at 2:38 am #866777
Acedemics with an ax to grind aren’t worth anyone’s attention. Gedolim, who had Kol Hatorah with one scan, were very well aware of Leshonos that were popular.
Like the Gemara, there are additions from later times. The Kamarna says that Raya Mehimna was written in the time of the Geonim. Many Midrashim are from then, as well.
One example of their great Kashos is that the Zohar Hakadosh uses the term, Af Al Gav, while the Gemara uses Af Al Pi, and supposedly, Af Al Gav only shows up in later liturature. When I heard of this Kasha, the first thing that came to mind is that I bet they looked at Bavli, while Most Midrashim were written in the Yerushalmi dialect, as Rashi writes. A simple Google shows many Af Al Gavs in Yerushalmi.
But, as pointed out, there are certain words or sentences that staryed out as someone’s marks and made it into the text. Many Gedolim have said this, including the Yaavetz and the Kamarna.
Reb Aviad Sar Shalom, in his Emunas Chachamim, writes that even if Reb Moshe de Leon would tell him to his face that he wrote the Zohar himself, he would not believe him. There is especially no room for questions after the Arizal, who understood its full depth, testified as to its greatness and origin.
Anyone who is lucky enough to have some insight into its depth will not comprehend the notion that a certain 14th cetury Mekubal fabricated it. It is not a tale, it is deep and profound. Tzadikim and Gedolim spent their lives understanding its wisdom and reached great levels through it.April 10, 2012 2:51 am at 2:51 am #866778
Chacham: Interesting. I must have forgotten that. I always found it weird that he brought the Rambam so much into his piece on Kabbalah. It’s also interesting that he mentions 40 but is pre-Shabtai Tzvi. Maybe the Minhag became like that minority opinion after Shabsai Tzvi?April 10, 2012 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm #866779cheftzeMember
Define what a “mekubal” is.April 10, 2012 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #866780kingdavidParticipant
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