Kaliv vs other chassidus
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May 2, 2019 9:30 am at 9:30 am #1721872CuriosityParticipant
Does Kaliv Chassidus treat their Rebbe the same as other chassiduses, or is the new Rebbe simply filling an executive leadership position over the institutions under control of the organization?
It’s difficult to imagine a 28 year-old can fill the role of a spiritual mentor the same way a 58 year-old can… regardless of wisdom and intellect, but just due to public perception alone. Recall the story of Elazar ben Azarya… Hashem gave him a white beard to counter the false perception of immaturity.
I’m just trying to understand the decision, not disrespecting it. In general I don’t understand the central role a rebbe plays, and how that relates to classic Judaism, but I don’t want to discuss that tired subject. I just want to understand how a 28 year old can possibly fill that role, or if that’s just not the role he is being appointed to fill.May 2, 2019 10:51 am at 10:51 am #1722186JosephParticipant
The current Stoliner Rebbe became Rebbe at about age 13. Other Rebbe’s, too, became Rebbe very young.May 2, 2019 10:54 am at 10:54 am #1722251RedlegParticipant
Age doesn’t necessarily convey wisdom nor does youth imply lack of judgement. Shlomo haMelech was twenty (according to the RAMBAN) when he ascended to the the throne of Israel. I think he did a pretty good job, don’t you?May 2, 2019 11:18 am at 11:18 am #1722266Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant
The Belzer Ruv was 16, right?May 2, 2019 12:11 pm at 12:11 pm #1722264emanParticipant
I believe Shlomo Hamelech was 13May 2, 2019 6:14 pm at 6:14 pm #1722491Reb EliezerParticipant
Why don’t you look at his son Rechavom who listened to the young over the old? The young might have wisdom but not experience. He better have good advisors.May 3, 2019 7:45 am at 7:45 am #1722607rationalParticipant
I’m sure the new Kaliver Rebbe will be a strong and holy force for his chassidim. He’s only 28 ? He’ll grow into the job, no one need worry. We should all support him.May 3, 2019 8:34 am at 8:34 am #1722618CuriosityParticipant
I think malchus is different – first of all because of yichus, which isn’t shayach here since the new Rebbe was adopted, from what people are saying. And second because you can’t really compare a 13 year old from the days of Tanach to a 13 year old today.
As to other chasidus promoting a 13 or 16 year old – How did people react to such an appointment? It’s incredibly hard to people actually came to a 13 year old for personal advice and with serious shaylas about life events? Were they just figureheads?May 3, 2019 6:51 pm at 6:51 pm #1722786
I think that elder chassidim will definitely not feel comfortable having such a young rebbe, like they did throughout history, but if the rebbe is capable it isint a problem within itself, there is a famous story regarding this with a rebbe (I forgot which one) and the point of what he told his chassidim was that I was born into it and therfore Even though I am younger but I have something impossible to gain through age etcMay 4, 2019 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm #1722913JosephParticipant
And if the the new Rebbe was 42, the 82 year old Chasidim would feel better?May 5, 2019 7:30 am at 7:30 am #1723003
But either way not regarding the age alot of times it was hard for elder chassidim to totally give themselves over to the new rebbe since they where so deeply connected to the previous rebbeMay 5, 2019 7:30 am at 7:30 am #1723002
Yes, although they would also have a hard time, but definitely not as muchMay 5, 2019 8:17 am at 8:17 am #1723079DrYiddParticipant
rebbes are assumed to have dynastic yichus which gives them special abilities. realistically, they depend on others who train them
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