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  • #601450
    Y.W. Editor
    Keymaster

    An email sent to YWN which has been emailed around as well.

    In regards to this:

    Good Riddance: Vaad HaTznius Member Heads To Prison

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    YWN

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    “Good Riddance”!!!!

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    #844119

    Translation?

    #844120
    dash™
    Participant

    What’s the point of writing in Yiddish when the vast majority of YWN readers read English?

    #844121
    Y.W. Editor
    Keymaster

    In truth, it’s not even worthy of being translated….

    #844122
    Health
    Participant

    Hey Editor -He’s got a point. Even if the guy did it once what he is accused of -you could probably print it because it’s known in the world, but how could you add on Good Riddance? That means you’re happy he is in jail. The only way Al Pi Din you can be happy if he is a Rosha. The only way he can have a Din Rosha if they Paskened on him like this in Bais Din or you’ve personally seen him do Aveiros ALL the time (this can even be through video if it’s a positive indentification).

    So how about the guy who wrote that headline issuing an apology?

    #844123
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    According to Google Translate, it says:

    Right big lhfitsu

    YWN

    Were simply filtered the general from of the against the pious. The Gauche too was quoted by them YWN on so far that the “Jew” has demalts strongly condemned

    But now comes one to the incredible master issuing aumbagreyflkher sadistishn crime. Today has been used in ar”i minded younger veysfish.

    Vizoy reported it sitting varld??

    Without any shame they did a witness – Lane

    “Good Riddance “!!!!

    It German an iodine goes into prison (if you think that it’s coming to him or not is nitamal touch) and you who Roofs to a Torah ‘dige Web site, type in large letters blessed shftrnu ?!?!?!?!

    Hishme such ????????

    Gentlemen we must protest. Every one who reads only once minded web site should immediately cease!! We need bricks the eds!!

    The situation threatened awful

    The have to admit – there we are yetstdi members in mkhninu who now discovered frtsufm still trying years to bahaltnbey the measure ‘s place!!! (Party to them View also this a gift hand in the side).

    All one mkhiub all what shbikhlsu!

    #844124
    cinderella
    Participant

    Sooo… I’m still lost. What language did Google translate it into?

    #844125
    adams
    Participant

    they are ruining the site. Every post is about how the spitters and excrement throwers and cursers of women, they have a point.

    It’s like if you are not used to thinking of people this way, if you believe in loving Jews, you don’t belong on this site anymore.

    Their purpose is a microcosm of the demonstrations in Beis Shemesh, to drive away sane normal people, since the spitters have a

    ‘true’ cause.

    #844126
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Popa, thanks!

    Whenever you’re feeling low, just Google Translate a page of a Sefer.

    #844127
    Health
    Participant

    PBA -You’re too much! After this post – I think you should be called -Majorly Retarded!

    #844128

    I read Yiddish quite fluently and whoever wrote this doesn’t know Yiddish all that well. It’s full of huge errors. I got a headache reading this and trying to understand it.

    Just an example –

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    is really written with ??? and not ???……

    Goes to show you the level of whoever wrote this.

    #844129

    It should be:

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    #844130
    uneeq
    Member

    Health: “…how could you add on Good Riddance? That means you’re happy he is in jail. The only way Al Pi Din you can be happy if he is a Rosha.”

    Let’s pretend that al pi din (sources?) you can only be happy if he’s a rosha. And lets pretend that he’s not a rosha. (Him? Not a rosha!? There is extensive proof that he is. He himself won’t deny the violence he has done.)

    Still however, good riddance is simply “An expression of pleasure on being rid of some annoyance – usually an individual.”

    This guy caused so much to pain so many Jewish people. Of course they are happy that some local mafia member isn’t around to torture them. Even if you cannot hate the guy, you can definitely hate his actions. Why not thank hashem for taking away this Tzaar?

    #844131
    mytake
    Member

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    Rabboisai, we must protest! Everyone who reads this wesite should stop immediately! We must boycott the ads!

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    #844132
    smartcookie
    Member

    Chassidisher- I’m a native Yiddish Speaker too and I write with the “im”, not “in” (sorry can’t type yiddish letters.)

    The spelling is ok. The content of the letter is a whole different story already…

    #844133
    moi aussi
    Member

    In German the words are Unglaublich and Unbegreiflich, both with N

    #844134
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    It’s not in Yiddish, it’s in “Der Yid”ish.

    #844135
    mogold
    Participant

    To the Y.W. Editor,

    With all due respect, I too was appalled by the headline.

    Good riddance to a Jew who went to jail???

    That article also claimed that he was involved in extortion, burning etc,

    #844136

    @ smartcookie / moi aussi

    Yiddish uses the same spelling as German. What you, and this writer, use, is a sad Boro Park corruption of it.

    #844137
    smartcookie
    Member

    Gatesheader- which part of it is so sad? And what about it is corrupt?

    Anyway, my point was that if so many people use the word as “im”, then it isn’t worth pointing out because it became the unofficial way of speaking.

    #844138
    apushatayid
    Participant

    The good riddance did not sit well with me either, and I tried posting a comment on the news site which apparently was not approved. I tried again within the last few minutes. Perhaps in this forum they will allow the comment.

    My comment was “is this an editorial or a news story”.

    #844139
    Health
    Participant

    uneeq -“Let’s pretend that al pi din (sources?) you can only be happy if he’s a rosha. And lets pretend that he’s not a rosha. (Him? Not a rosha!? There is extensive proof that he is. He himself won’t deny the violence he has done.)”

    Really -he told you he did many crimes?!?!

    Did you ever hear of the Issur of believing LH?

    Did you ever hear of being Dan L’caf Zecus?

    On the one thing that he was convicted on in a Non-Bais Din -you can be Choset for (perhaps believe), nothing more.

    “Still however, good riddance is simply “An expression of pleasure on being rid of some annoyance – usually an individual.”

    Exactly, and how do you know what kind of individual he is?

    “This guy caused so much to pain so many Jewish people.”

    And how do you know that?

    “Of course they are happy that some local mafia member isn’t around to torture them. Even if you cannot hate the guy, you can definitely hate his actions.”

    How do you know what his actions are?

    (I already stated above – “The only way he can have a Din Rosha if they Paskened on him like this in Bais Din or you’ve personally seen him do Aveiros ALL the time (this can even be through video if it’s a positive indentification).)”

    I doubt you saw a video of him and he never was called in front of any Bais Din!

    “Why not thank hashem for taking away this Tzaar?”

    And how do you know this guy is a Tzarr?

    I really don’t blame you for the way you think because e/o believes anything in the News. But us Frum Jews have a Torah and this what we believe in, nothing more. The Chofetz Chaim wrote Halchos on L.H. in his Sefer. In there he says clearly just because you read something in a newspaper (nowadays it would be any media), all the Dinim of L.H. apply. This would include not believing it!

    Now for an author to come to a comment of “Good Riddance”, he/she would have to believe what was said about the guy!

    Maybe you, (and others) should get off the net and start learning our Torah, esp. when it comes to the Dinim of Loshon Hora!

    A public apology from YWN would be the right thing to do!

    #844140
    moi aussi
    Member

    Gatesheader, don’t confuse me with Boro Park, I’m on your side, I quoted the German spelling.

    #844141
    Sam2
    Participant

    Health, you’re unbelievable. You spend countless hours stating how many people are not “Bichlal Amisecha” because of so many different reasons and now you are defending someone (I don’t know any of the story or anything about the guy, so I’m not commenting on this specific situation) by saying that for Lashon Harah to be Muttar you either need a P’sak Beis Din or to see them doing Aveiros “all the time” (I’m not sure how a video would prove that either; it’s just one clip, not an indication of what they always do). Which is it?

    #844142
    adams
    Participant

    Too many news items of the same type every day to think otherwise.

    Sure it’s possible that all the incidents are hoaxes or incitements.

    But not when you have lived in these areas and have seen the violence first hand (I myself was threatened by neighbors in Beis Yisroel and it was only by luck that a friend of my roommates came over and had a gun on him, he showed the gun to the Avreich and the fellow backed off). So I have no reason to doubt any of the reported incidents.

    Not that this means that I hate all Chareidim or bash them. this is another lie being bandied about.

    This site is both a news site and a Hashkafa site.

    #844143
    Health
    Participant

    Sam2 -“Health, you’re unbelievable. You spend countless hours stating how many people are not “Bichlal Amisecha” because of so many different reasons and now you are defending someone (I don’t know any of the story or anything about the guy, so I’m not commenting on this specific situation) by saying that for Lashon Harah to be Muttar you either need a P’sak Beis Din or to see them doing Aveiros “all the time” (I’m not sure how a video would prove that either; it’s just one clip, not an indication of what they always do). Which is it?”

    Actually you are unbelievable. I’m not a hypocrite like you imply. I have not seen any video of this Sikrim guy doing any crimes and I don’t think anybody here has either.

    On the other hand before I explained the actions’ of the spitters, not defended like I was accused of, I looked at the pictures and videos of the MO’s in Bet Shemesh. I didn’t just look at the recent ones where they know they are on display and trying to make it look like it’s one-sided, I looked at old ones and the picture of her on the couch. So I saw first hand that almost all of these MO’s don’t dress Tzinusdik acc. to the Torah! Oh btw, it wasn’t just One clip!

    So what about you? -it seems you just take sides, nothing to do with what the Torah holds. If it’s an MO -you’ll defend no matter what. If it’s a Charedi, you’ll attack & condenm no matter what!

    #844144
    Health
    Participant

    adams -“But not when you have lived in these areas and have seen the violence first hand (I myself was threatened by neighbors in Beis Yisroel and it was only by luck that a friend of my roommates came over and had a gun on him, he showed the gun to the Avreich and the fellow backed off). So I have no reason to doubt any of the reported incidents.”

    So this incident is true because an incident happenned with you?

    Did you ever see a video of this guy commiting crimes?

    Did you ever learn Chofetz Chaim? I highly doubt it!

    “Not that this means that I hate all Chareidim or bash them. this is another lie being bandied about.”

    So since you are willing to believe this story, even though the Torah says you can’t, there must be an underlying reason -why.

    I think the reason is because you hate all Charedim!

    #844146
    uneeq
    Member

    Health: “Hey Editor -He’s got a point. Even if the guy did it once what he is accused of -you could probably print it because it’s known in the world, but how could you add on Good Riddance? That means you’re happy he is in jail. The only way Al Pi Din you can be happy if he is a Rosha. The only way he can have a Din Rosha if they Paskened on him like this in Bais Din or you’ve personally seen him do Aveiros ALL the time (this can even be through video if it’s a positive indentification).

    So how about the guy who wrote that headline issuing an apology?”

    “Really -he told you he did many crimes?!?!

    Did you ever hear of the Issur of believing LH?

    Did you ever hear of being Dan L’caf Zecus?

    On the one thing that he was convicted on in a Non-Bais Din -you can be Choset for (perhaps believe), nothing more.

    Exactly, and how do you know what kind of individual he is?

    And how do you know that?

    How do you know what his actions are?

    (I already stated above – “The only way he can have a Din Rosha if they Paskened on him like this in Bais Din or you’ve personally seen him do Aveiros ALL the time (this can even be through video if it’s a positive indentification).)”

    And how do you know this guy is a Tzarr?

    I really don’t blame you for the way you think because e/o believes anything in the News. But us Frum Jews have a Torah and this what we believe in, nothing more. The Chofetz Chaim wrote Halchos on L.H. in his Sefer. In there he says clearly just because you read something in a newspaper (nowadays it would be any media), all the Dinim of L.H. apply. This would include not believing it!

    Now for an author to come to a comment of “Good Riddance”, he/she would have to believe what was said about the guy!

    Maybe you, (and others) should get off the net and start learning our Torah, esp. when it comes to the Dinim of Loshon Hora!

    A public apology from YWN would be the right thing to do!

    I doubt you saw a video of him and he never was called in front of any Bais Din!”

    You know how it says seyag lechochma shtika? I could sum up all your complaints in six simple words “how do you know it’s true?”.

    And to that I respond that I live in Israel and I see whats going on. My head isn’t buried in the sand. Neither is YWN. As a news org that has correspondents in the area they are acutely aware of the situation over there. You don’t need the media to matir us to talk about this filth. Everyone in the area knows exactly whats going on.

    Also, the fact that he got convicted shows that he was testified against (or ample evidence against him, your choice). Most definitely by the JEWS that were tortured by him.

    SO it’s your choice: Say lashon hara about the many Jews that testified and call them liars. Or please check the forum for a topic you are more knowledgeable about.

    #844147
    Sam2
    Participant

    Health: When have I attacked or condemned anyone?

    #844148
    Health
    Participant

    uneeq -“You know how it says seyag lechochma shtika? I could sum up all your complaints in six simple words “how do you know it’s true?”.

    Just because you posted in bold -equivalent to screaming – doesn’t mean there is a Shred of Truth in what you say!

    There is a reason that I posted the way I did and not concise -so Am Haratzim like you shouldn’t say -“What did I do wrong?”

    But you posted your ridiculous comments anyway.

    “And to that I respond that I live in Israel and I see whats going on. My head isn’t buried in the sand. Neither is YWN. As a news org that has correspondents in the area they are acutely aware of the situation over there. You don’t need the media to matir us to talk about this filth. Everyone in the area knows exactly whats going on.”

    E/o knows what’s going on, but that means every Charedi they catch is guilty, right?

    “Also, the fact that he got convicted shows that he was testified against (or ample evidence against him, your choice). Most definitely by the JEWS that were tortured by him.”

    One second -Where you by the trial? I doubt it. Did you see a video of the trial? I doubt this also.

    “SO it’s your choice: Say lashon hara about the many Jews that testified and call them liars. Or please check the forum for a topic you are more knowledgeable about.”

    You say that you live in Israel, but I thought that the air in E.Y. makes you smart? I guess this only applies to Talmedi Chachmim, Not Am Haratzim like you! You call my posting in defense of this guy L.H. and that I’m calling the witnesses liars.

    Can I ask you a question, if you believe in the Torah & Halacha, are you allowed to go to a Court in the State of Israel? No you’re not, if you didn’t know this, – you must go to Bais Din!

    As a matter of fact if s/o (a Jew) testifies in such a court even if true, acc. to Halacha it’s called Loshon Hora! And the Din of L.H. is that you aren’t allowed to believe it!

    Ya see – I wouldn’t have to be so long-winded if guys like you would learn some Halacha like the Sefer Chofetz Chaim!

    But instead of learning the Torah -you just scream -“I’m right” and do whatever you want, even if you are Oiver Aveira after Aveira!

    #844149
    Health
    Participant

    Sam2 -“Health: When have I attacked or condemned anyone?”

    You’re joking right? Didn’t you just attack me?

    #844150
    Sam2
    Participant

    Health: Okay, I’ll give you that. 🙂 When, other than in direct response to a poster about a post, have I attacked anyone? I never attacked any group and have never condemned or attacked “Chareidim”.

    #844151
    Health
    Participant

    Sam 2 -Good for you.

    #844152
    uneeq
    Member

    Health- The bolded letters are from the moderators to clearly point out where it was me talking. About the rest of what you said, I have better things to do than waste my time responding again.

    Like pursuing my idea of printing the 5th chelek of shulchan aruch.

    #844153
    soliek
    Member

    “Like pursuing my idea of printing the 5th chelek of shulchan aruch.”

    will that cover hilchos machaos, kol korehs, pashkvelim, and bans?

    #844154
    Guter yid
    Participant

    I would agree that the heading should have been written different, with more feelings towards another yid, especially when the subject still maintains his innocence, and there is no evidence against him except for the word of the owner of the store, so this whole story may be lashon horah, hotzoas shem ra, plus a very extreme headline against an observant yid.

    BUT, talking about stupidity as boycott etc. on the awesome most precious yiddishe website YWN is ridiculous, its from the only famous popular sights covering positive news on charedi yidden almost as much as negative, while other populr sites may totally ignore many positive stories of ehrliche yidden, only bringing out the bad side copying the frum hating Israeki news sites with provocative captions.

    Yeshiva world wouls bring stories that show the misery that a lot charedim are going thru by the chiloni charedi hating neighbors.

    And, as a result YWN has the biggest clientele of heimishe yidden, versus some other famous/infamous sites that have many non yidden or half yidden posting there.

    #844155
    moi aussi
    Member

    Guter yid, are you on YW’s payroll?

    #844156
    uneeq
    Member

    moi aussi- Do you ask because he’s sticking up for YWN or because he is incomprehensible?

    #844157
    Guter yid
    Participant

    Moi, no, I’m not employed by YWN, I’m actually quite new to this beautiful heimish “real yiddish” news site, what gets me to be so supportive and loyal to YWN is very simple;

    I’ve recently emigrated to Yeshiva World from a different “so called” famous/infamous yiddish news site, with such a tense atmosphere, I couldn’t take it anymore, always siding with the most leftist minds and comments, provocative hateful headlines, appears they have sort of a “vacuum hose” with an extended antenna that sucks in all dirt and filth onto their site, every loshon hora on a yid in the world, with some basis or totally baseless would appear on that site with inciting nasty headings, positive news on observant yidden would hardly find the place there, they would host the most controversial op-eds and provocative editorials, as long as it can please the far leftists, the moderators are mean and partial, I’d actually extend the term to “bigotic”, with not too much sense or judgment, manipulating comments and posts, and lately they were so flooded with old time apikorsim with crooked minds posting their hashkafa in the comments there and preaching their hate on religious observant yidden and mocking the Torah, even non yidden are very welcomed there with their twisted ideas on yiddishkeit and yidden, and the silly or hateful comments are gladly being posted there, vs. very many of ehrliche comments are ignored or removed discriminately. basically a ehrliche yid or his post is not welcomed there.

    Some of my friends laughed at me why I would just waste my time on that torah hating site that they dumped long ago, “just move over to YWN, an awesome and appealing site, with much more than just news”, I accepted the advice, and this is exactly what I did, and I’m glad I did..

    So stepping in here I was just delighted, seeing heimishe sensible posts, balanced news reports, sitting in the warm coffee room over a hot cup of coffee while chatting and airing out any issue or subject in a normal friendly atmosphere.

    Thanks YWN again.

    #844158
    moi aussi
    Member

    Now I know you’re on YWN payroll! People who post here, post there, it’s all the same. If you feel you need to bash another site, you’re insecure.

    #844159
    Y.W. Editor
    Keymaster

    [email protected]

    YWN had a RISHESDIGE HEADLINE AGAINST RAV WEISSFISH SHLITE ****GOOD RIDDANC***** THIS MEANS BORUCH SHEPUTRANI!! SHAME ON OM YWN SHAME ON YOU A YID GOES TO JAIL FOR MICHEMES SHBBES AND YOU ARE HAPPY?????? BORUCH SHEPUTRANI????? DO YOU KNOW WHAT TALMID CHOCHOM THIS PERSON IS??? IS THIS CALLED WHT YOU WANT ACHDUS???? SHOIMU SHOMAYIM

    #844160
    Y.W. Editor
    Keymaster

    [email protected]

    Do u belong to the chofotz chaim poeple ???? What a bushe and cherpe. To write so negative about a whole group of chareidim its worse then spiting on a mizrachi girl!!

    #844161
    Y.W. Editor
    Keymaster

    [email protected]

    Please come forward with an excuse. The people in my community are extremely upset the eay u acted to the below topics

    Thanks.


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    #844162
    Y.W. Editor
    Keymaster

    [email protected]

    See below.


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    #844163
    real-brisker
    Member

    Y.W. Editor – Why are you posting up someones private email address? What right do you have? People would like to remian anyonomous. Please remove them ASAP.[and no, I am not any of those people]

    #844164
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Moi, why do you say that? I haven’t posted there in years. Very seldomly do I glance at that site — perhaps twice a year.

    #844165
    uneeq
    Member

    RB- Agreed. Even if they want people to heckle them (I’m even not sure why, even if I disagree with them), it’s not fair that they want them to get spammed. Any email address written out on ANY website is basically picked up by bots and added to a spamming list.

    #844166
    yungerman1
    Participant

    real-brisker- Its still anonymous. We dont know who sent that email.

    Secondly, have you not ever forwarded an email before? Did you ask the one who sent it to you for permission to forward it without removing their email address?

    #844167
    real-brisker
    Member

    yungerman1 – Firstly as uneeq stated. Seondly, maybe someone will recognize the address, or the address by itself has the persons name. And to answer your question; If I was sending an email in a way of bashing the sender, or trying to make fun of the sender. YES I WOULD, erase who it’s from.

    #844168
    cherrybim
    Participant

    “in 2008, when during one of their protests Weissfish dragged the store owner outside and while holding him down, they beat him. The man sustained a number of fractures and bruises as a result of the beating.

    Weissfish was convicted on counts of assault, extortion, threats and other related charges.”

    Good Riddance!

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